Chaos-R3aper
08-14-2007, 01:45 AM
ummm i only just started playing ffxii and im upto the part where you gotta go to some guys temple and get spme shard thingo.anyways im finding it too hard at the sandsea where those little guys come along.its not that i cant kill them its just that they always do major damage for the next 1 to kill me so are there any good places to train at all???

MossY
08-14-2007, 02:03 AM
Wait it out in the Sandsea, those little guys will give you loads of EXP at that stage and you'll eventually be good enough to resist their numerical advantage. Plus they're great for chains.

Locke_FF36
08-14-2007, 02:04 AM
any of the big plains man

Captain_Thunder
08-14-2007, 12:10 PM
Try going back to Rabanastre and doing some hunts/upgrading your equipment. You'll get Vossler a little way into the Sandsea, and he should keep you safe while you gather exp.

samonasuke
08-14-2007, 06:31 PM
Vossler is the shit!!!!! But he takes a quarter of the experience so if your strong enough on your own its better to kill him off yourself so as to get experience for your permanent characters!!

Neg
08-14-2007, 06:39 PM
Oh how I cannot stand Vossler (in specific). I loathe guest characters (even though I honestly love Larsa and Reddas) simply because they will break your chains in a heartbeat.

So it is instant and repeated death for them.

samonasuke
08-14-2007, 07:55 PM
Die, guest characters Die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:):):):):)

Captain_Thunder
08-15-2007, 12:53 PM
Oh how I cannot stand Vossler (in specific). I loathe guest characters (even though I honestly love Larsa and Reddas) simply because they will break your chains in a heartbeat.

So it is instant and repeated death for them.

I don't understand the hate for the guest characters; they were always hitting for damage than my main party, and I couldn't have won the Demon Wall battle without Vossler.

samonasuke
08-15-2007, 01:37 PM
Because, guest characters always mess up chains, and also they take a quarter of the experience

Ceidwad
08-15-2007, 02:42 PM
Vossler is the shit!!!!! But he takes a quarter of the experience.

No, he doesn't. Guests don't accumulate EXP.

Also, Knegative, guests in general rule. Larsa in particular. And I managed a 200-chain in the Sandsea despite Vossler very much being around. If you don't want your guests to break your chains, flee from foes who you aren't trying to chain.

The only problem with guests-their HP levels are generally awful. I think a seperate License Board for each guest would have been appropriate, personally.

samonasuke
08-15-2007, 02:59 PM
Actually they do take a quarter of the experience,

I never said that they accumulate and lvl up, thats just not the case!

But they do take a quarter of the experience.

Ceidwad
08-15-2007, 05:07 PM
Actually they do take a quarter of the experience,

I never said that they accumulate and lvl up, thats just not the case!

But they do take a quarter of the experience.

You may be right, but I did a run through the Sandsea yesterday with Vossler for the story bit, and then without him to hunt the Wyvern Lord, and I noticed no difference in the EXP I was getting.

Neg
08-15-2007, 06:51 PM
Because I leveled as long as I always did, guest characters always sucked compared to my guys. Sure, they'd be similarly leveled, but they just didn't cut it.

And why should I have to run everytime I come across a non-chain enemy, when I can just set up my gambits for Foe: Party Leader's Target and just manually attack an enemy with Penelo, allowing the others to follow suit? It's a little bit more effort, but it almost assures that I won't screw up a chain, and if I do, it's my fault. Can't tell you how many times a guest character has killed a non-chain enemy when I wasn't paying attention.

Their miniscule help is nothing compared to the problems they caused me.

I reiterate, Death to guest characters. :p

Ceidwad
08-16-2007, 01:25 PM
Because I leveled as long as I always did, guest characters always sucked compared to my guys. Sure, they'd be similarly leveled, but they just didn't cut it.

And why should I have to run everytime I come across a non-chain enemy, when I can just set up my gambits for Foe: Party Leader's Target and just manually attack an enemy with Penelo, allowing the others to follow suit? It's a little bit more effort, but it almost assures that I won't screw up a chain, and if I do, it's my fault. Can't tell you how many times a guest character has killed a non-chain enemy when I wasn't paying attention.

Their miniscule help is nothing compared to the problems they caused me.

I reiterate, Death to guest characters. :p

Those of us that don't grind insanely and do every hunt and sidequest (though I'm working on that now) found them highly useful, especially Larsa.

The Elder Wyrm would have kicked ten tonnes of sh*t into me if it weren't for Larsa keeping me alive with his unlimited stock of Hi-Potions and X-Potions.

UltimateFFFan
08-16-2007, 08:48 PM
Because I leveled as long as I always did, guest characters always sucked compared to my guys. Sure, they'd be similarly leveled, but they just didn't cut it.

And why should I have to run everytime I come across a non-chain enemy, when I can just set up my gambits for Foe: Party Leader's Target and just manually attack an enemy with Penelo, allowing the others to follow suit? It's a little bit more effort, but it almost assures that I won't screw up a chain, and if I do, it's my fault. Can't tell you how many times a guest character has killed a non-chain enemy when I wasn't paying attention.

Their miniscule help is nothing compared to the problems they caused me.

I reiterate, Death to guest characters. :p


iirc, you can't set up gambits for Guest characters

Neg
08-16-2007, 09:28 PM
That's my point. If I could, I wouldn't have any problems.

So to be clear:

Guests Dead, my guys gambits set up for Foe: Party Leaders Target.

samonasuke
08-16-2007, 10:30 PM
Your characters technically cant be higher than your guest characters levels because they dont have a set level, the way it goes is as follows:

Amalia (ashe): Average level of your two highest level characters +1
Basch (whens hes a guest): Average level of your two highest level characters +2
Lamont/Larsa: Average level of your two highest level characters +2
Vossler: Average level of your two highest level characters +4
Reddas:Average level of your two highest level characters +2

There you go, it is almost physically imposible ( unless you only level up 1 character) to have a guest character lower levels then you.

However Im not saying they are not weaker, because in general with the exception of vossler, they are weaker.

Neg
08-16-2007, 10:33 PM
Sure, they'd be similarly leveled, but they just didn't cut it.

samonasuke
08-16-2007, 10:39 PM
Sure, they'd be similarly leveled, but they just didn't cut it.

However Im not saying they are not weaker, because in general with the exception of vossler, they are weaker.

Never said they did cut it :):):):):)

Just explainin to anyone wondering how the level scheme works

Neg
08-16-2007, 10:44 PM
I only quoted that in case you were leveling the "it's almost impossible to have lower level characters than you" at me.

You guys are entitled to your opinions, and I apologize if it came off like I had to be right in the matter. I just responded to each rebuttle and question.

samonasuke
08-16-2007, 11:44 PM
No hard feelings :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) :):):):) :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) :):):):)

Chaos-R3aper
08-17-2007, 04:42 AM
what are chains for???........??????

Neg
08-17-2007, 05:21 AM
They increase the number of drops you get from a certain enemy (or enemy type, but that's a whole discussion unto itself), and what they actually drop. You get better items from them depending on your chain level.

Shadow mage
08-17-2007, 09:59 AM
Well personally i found the guest characters ashe and larsa to be the only good ones. Vossler is useless and i couldve done good even without him

samonasuke
08-17-2007, 09:16 PM
Well personally i found the guest characters ashe and larsa to be the only good ones. Vossler is useless and i couldve done good even without him

Most people could have done fine without any of them imho.

Just in case some people dont know, guest cahracters do actually have gambits, but they arent in your control and you cant see them. You can find them online somewhere if you want to know what they are or if you cant find them pm and ill tell ya!

Chaos-R3aper
08-20-2007, 02:09 AM
umm i'm still stuck ... what level should i be at the sandsea

samonasuke
08-21-2007, 01:33 PM
Man if your still stuck on the Sandsea you are in serious trouble........
There is only one answer to the problem. Grind grind grind!!!!!!

iceberg325
08-21-2007, 03:19 PM
Man if your still stuck on the Sandsea you are in serious trouble........
There is only one answer to the problem. Grind grind grind!!!!!!

I just started playing the game again. Im in the henne mines for the 1st time. Is this a good place to level up? Im looking for a good spot to really grind it out.

Ceidwad
08-21-2007, 03:55 PM
Any dungeon is fair game. Personally I think Ozmone Plain is a pretty good place to level at this point in the game, as the Mesmenirs there drop Iron Carapaces which are worth around 450 gil apiece. You can chain them for Monty Burns-scale riches.

The Henne Mines are pretty good for grinding. I'd say get to about Level 25 at this stage.

iceberg325
08-21-2007, 04:09 PM
Any dungeon is fair game. Personally I think Ozmone Plain is a pretty good place to level at this point in the game, as the Mesmenirs there drop Iron Carapaces which are worth around 450 gil apiece. You can chain them for Monty Burns-scale riches.

The Henne Mines are pretty good for grinding. I'd say get to about Level 25 at this stage.


Im around level 26 at this point and just got to the mines lol.

Ceidwad
08-21-2007, 04:59 PM
Your levels are OK for that stage of the game in my opinion. If you want to do some grinding, I'd wait til you get to the Mosphoran Highwaste (won't be long now) as there are some good rare monsters that spawn there and give a couple of thousand EXP per kill. And the flyers there give you over 1,000 too.

Ceidwad
08-21-2007, 07:33 PM
umm i'm still stuck ... what level should i be at the sandsea

Try about 14-16, at least with your main party anyway. If you can't beat the enemies in the Sandsea, head back to the Westersand where you'll find much easier foes.

samonasuke
08-25-2007, 08:31 PM
Sandsea is a very good place to grind out. If your still stuck, you could go back to lhusu mines and chain the skeletons in the second long bridge. I got from lv. 9 to lvl. 18 in there, but I dont mind grinding really.

jewess crabcake
08-25-2007, 08:41 PM
Lies Vossler's combo rate with the great sword is Epic. Also Larsa and Ashe were good I mean they kept good stock of, Hi-potions.

samonasuke
08-25-2007, 08:45 PM
Vive La Vossler.

He was the only on I found had an impact on me. The others just seemed to be in the background and never really did much. Reddas was ok aswell but i just killed him off so he didnt break my chain and also so he didnt take any of the experience

jewess crabcake
08-25-2007, 08:47 PM
I would do that but I have a revive any gambit so it would be a waste of time,and I didn't really care about chains I already got the Pirate den figure for it.

samonasuke
08-25-2007, 09:05 PM
The pirate figure in the den is easy. chains are almost required for getting the items for synthing. The tournesol is impossible to get without chaining, the hells gate flames from the cerberus would be virtually impossible to get without chaining, also the sagittarius gems for the sagittarius bow from the oilings in the stillshrine of miriam are the same.

jewess crabcake
08-25-2007, 11:45 PM
synthing?

Ceidwad
08-26-2007, 12:00 AM
He means selling loot to obtain new bazaar items.

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 12:04 AM
oooh, That's what it's called, I just steal and kill, got me a whole bunch of things, the thiefs cups works wonders.

Chaos-R3aper
08-26-2007, 05:22 AM
now im stuck in that tomb place i dunno what to do??

terabyte
08-26-2007, 08:32 AM
Actually I found chaining for Hells Gate Flames to be counter-productive. They are a monograph drop from Cerberus, not a chain drop, so I'd just run through and kill a bunch each time I went to chain mirrorknights.

Chaos-R3aper:
I assume you mean Tomb of Raithwall? Take the North passage, run around till you come to a switch, then teleport back. Then take the South passage, run around till you find a switch, then teleport back. Then take the (north or south again, can't remember...wherever the new room opened up). Easy enough.

Gamefaqs if that was unclear (and I get the feeling that it was.)

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 01:20 PM
first if you figured out the unclear riddle the tomb tells you, kudos, but if not equip the leader of your party with the... forget it's name but it's ashes birth right, the day shard or something. and touch that central podium, after that you'll observe 3 turnable statues make sure the all face the middle of the map.

samonasuke
08-26-2007, 04:32 PM
I think that ff 12 has too much in it that is virtually impossible without a walkthrough....i.e. Zodiac Spear, all those fuckin riddles, etc.

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 07:12 PM
Those riddles are soooooo unclear it's ridiculous, open the door, a handstand holds the key to inebriation. wtf are you talking about?

samonasuke
08-26-2007, 07:49 PM
Zodiac Spear, What a load of Shit!!!!!!
I think anyone who got it should boycotte it to show square enix our complete disdain of it. Not the weapon itself but the way in which it is attained.

J. Peterman
08-26-2007, 09:05 PM
OKAY LET'S BOYCOTT SQUARE!

samonasuke
08-26-2007, 10:19 PM
OKAY LET'S BOYCOTT SQUARE!

Sarcasm isnt very nice :(:(:(

terabyte
08-26-2007, 11:00 PM
If one of Square's goals in creating FF12 was to get fans out there talking about the game, exchanging strategies and secrets, and building a sort of community, then I think they achieved that. I honestly don't see the problem with the Zodiac Spear secret. It's not needed to finish the game, and if you want to collect everything or get a 'Perfect Game' (or whatever the hell these diehards do), you'd need to consult some sort of reference anyway.

Does anyone else wonder how the hell Brady Games stays in business with the internet and free FAQs for nearly any game you could possibly want?

samonasuke
08-26-2007, 11:29 PM
BradyGames stay in business because walkthroughs are far easier to navigate than online ones or faq's.

jewess crabcake
08-26-2007, 11:35 PM
if you look for a walk-through like the first 3 months the walk-through you'll find a Brady game walk-through torrent.

samonasuke
08-28-2007, 01:10 PM
if you look for a walk-through like the first 3 months the walk-through you'll find a Brady game walk-through torrent.

I dont really understand what you are saying. If you are saying that you can find it as a torrent after a few months, the book is much easier to navigate then an onscreen version, and also its pretty annoying to go back to your desktop and then back to your ps2 if you want to know something.

jewess crabcake
08-28-2007, 01:13 PM
not necessarily, I have my PC on stand-by at all times and there is a way to search on the ebook. There's a search function, you can magnify what you want and if you want it in front of you print select pages.

Chaos-R3aper
08-28-2007, 03:42 PM
ehhh walkthroughs help you TOO much so its not as fun

Espanha
08-28-2007, 07:14 PM
Walkthroughs help you as much as you want them too. There's this basic human function that's called "look away" you use your eyes for. It's great!

mary_sonnie
08-28-2007, 11:17 PM
Damn, guest characters would become a liability after awhile; my party would level up, but they wouldn't, so I had to constantly heal them or revive them instead of actually fighting.


It's really best to level up as you go, at least so you don't reach a point where you have the opportunity but find yourself unable to do so because your characters aren't strong enough. Because I would attempt to gain levels at every available area, I didn't really need to gain them later.

Make sure you have some good armor, weapons, and spells available to use along the way - there's no use gaining LP if you don't have anything good to apply it towards, too.

Chaos-R3aper
08-29-2007, 12:16 AM
hmm stuck in giza plains (rains) nowim only lvls 16 with main party (balthier,basch,ashe)and like 8 11 and 12 with other ppl and finding it difficult to kill stuff

jewess crabcake
08-29-2007, 12:48 AM
LEvel up quick you should be in your 20s during the rains.

samonasuke
08-29-2007, 11:22 PM
Chaps Reaper, U must hate levelling up because you should almost be that level without even trying.

Chaos-R3aper
08-30-2007, 12:51 PM
lmao i just like to pass through the game as quick as possible

Kurisutaru
08-30-2007, 05:30 PM
But that's no fun.

You could try farming for loot or something in a lower-level area, and gain levels that way. And you'll earn money.

terabyte
08-30-2007, 08:57 PM
Otherwise just move on to Ozmone plain. IIRC, the snakes there are easier to kill than the monsters on Giza during the Rains.

samonasuke
08-31-2007, 04:33 PM
Yeah Ozmone plains are good enough. But you should still be way higher than what you were on..I was round 27 for the rains.

Chaos-R3aper
09-01-2007, 10:06 AM
Yeah Ozmone plains are good enough. But you should still be way higher than what you were on..I was round 27 for the rains.

yeah but how long did it take you to get to those levels???

AnTi_jEnOvA_ZOMG!!!!!
09-05-2007, 01:36 AM
Vossler can suck my balls! I didnt need him!

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