tenshi_flame
12-05-2007, 07:35 PM
Even after playing it the second time, there are some things I don't understand. Perhaps, its because I never finished the game, but then again.. I suppose its irrelevant to finishing the game or not.

Auron is supposed to be dead 10 years before Yuna's pilgrimage, right? Since nobody did a sending for him, wouldn't he become a fiend like everyone else due to the fact that the dead would eventually gain a resentment towards all the living when not send to the Farplane. Strange thing is that Auron never had any resentment, yet he had been dead for more than 10 years and stayed in both Spira and Dream Zanarkand for so long.

Apparently, it wasn't clear how Auron died. When he was found lying on the ground with a fatal wound by Rin, he was saved. However, he left the next day and Rin had no idea where he went until Yuna's pilgrimage. When Rin asked him of how he survived the wound, he asked the topic to be dropped. Well... If Auron had died during the save, he wouldn't be able to leave Rin's place with a physical body, right? However.. He did leave the place as a living human, but how? He had a fatal wound and critical wounds. It was unclear and never explained.

When Auron head to the Farplane as part of Yuna's pilgrimage side trip, he refused to enter the place as if once he enters, he won't be able leave. Actually, the strange thing is that if Auron died 10 years before Yuna's pilgrimage in Spira, how did he travelled 1000 years into the past to Dream Zanarkand? This is also unclear. Shouldn't the dead become either fiends or be sent to the Farplane? However, Auron didn't become a fiend and neither was he sent to the Farplane. Instead, he travelled all the way to Dream Zanarkand to watch over Tidus. Since Auron is dead during his 10 years of watching Tidus grow up, how did all the people around Tidus including Tidus were capable of seeing Auron in the first place? This is all very confusing....

ROKI
12-05-2007, 09:12 PM
I suggest that you just finish the game, as my answers contain spoilers that can ruin the fun out of the story.






Auron is supposed to be dead 10 years before Yuna's pilgrimage, right? Since nobody did a sending for him, wouldn't he become a fiend like everyone else due to the fact that the dead would eventually gain a resentment towards all the living when not send to the Farplane. Strange thing is that Auron never had any resentment, yet he had been dead for more than 10 years and stayed in both Spira and Dream Zanarkand for so long.

Auron has a strong connection to Spira, therefore he could not go to the Farplane. As Lulu said, the dead become fiends because of their anger caused by their death. Auron did not have such strong feelings, but actually just wanted to fulfill the promises he made to his two best friends, and defeat Sin forever.



Apparently, it wasn't clear how Auron died. When he was found lying on the ground with a fatal wound by Rin, he was saved. However, he left the next day and Rin had no idea where he went until Yuna's pilgrimage. When Rin asked him of how he survived the wound, he asked the topic to be dropped. Well... If Auron had died during the save, he wouldn't be able to leave Rin's place with a physical body, right? However.. He did leave the place as a living human, but how? He had a fatal wound and critical wounds. It was unclear and never explained.


As far as I remember, he was attacked by Yunalesca, and died when he climbed off the Gagazet mountain, at the moment which Kimahri found him.



When Auron head to the Farplane as part of Yuna's pilgrimage side trip, he refused to enter the place as if once he enters, he won't be able leave. Actually, the strange thing is that if Auron died 10 years before Yuna's pilgrimage in Spira, how did he travelled 1000 years into the past to Dream Zanarkand?

There is no 1000 years. Dream Zanarkand was a parallel world, created by the Fayth of the people of Zanarkand to create a dream of how the city used to be before it was destroyed. Also, Auron says that he rode Sin to travel to Zanarkand and watch over Tidus. He was able to do because he was dead.



This is also unclear. Shouldn't the dead become either fiends or be sent to the Farplane? However, Auron didn't become a fiend and neither was he sent to the Farplane. Instead, he travelled all the way to Dream Zanarkand to watch over Tidus. Since Auron is dead during his 10 years of watching Tidus grow up, how did all the people around Tidus including Tidus were capable of seeing Auron in the first place? This is all very confusing....

Firstly, Auron is not the only character that is dead. Seymour is dead, as well as two other Maysters if my memory serves me right. Also, I pretty muvh doubt that there is a spiritual form for the dead. So basically, everyone can see the dead , and that is that.

tenshi_flame
12-05-2007, 11:17 PM
Firstly, Auron is not the only character that is dead. Seymour is dead, as well as two other Maysters if my memory serves me right. Also, I pretty muvh doubt that there is a spiritual form for the dead. So basically, everyone can see the dead , and that is that.

Yes. Maester Mika is also dead at the start of the game. Yunalesca as well. The other maester who is also dead is maybe Kinoc, but I am not sure. Kinoc had appeared in Via Infinito in Final Fantasy X-2, the place that is located beneath the Bevelle Fortress. I know these aren't the right names, but I don't remember what the places are called, so..ya. Maester Seymour isn't dead at the beginning, but he came back after Tidus and team defeated him. Maester Seymour having half-Guado blood was capable of telling apart Auron from the rest of the team that are alive members, which explains that he was alive at the start. I guess you are right. In the world of Final Fantasy X, the dead and the alive pretty much look the same, as in possessing a physical body, if not called a shell.

It was quite ironic that even though Yevon's teachings were against the idea of keeping the dead in the living world, yet to have all their high ranking leaders, Lady Yunalesca, Maester Mika, Maester Kinoc, and Maester Seymour to be dead and away from the Farplane. More ironically in the sequel, FFX-2.. It was said that the New Yevon which had inherited the teachings of the old Yevon which forbids people from using the machina for military purposes, yet they had Vegnagun and all sorts of robot attackers. Surprisingly, the new leader of the New Yevon was a good guy, Baralai, ex-member of the defeated Crimson Squad. The more funny thing was that Baralai had joined the New Yevon as a strategic plan on hiding his Crimson Squad identity to prevent himself from getting hunted down, yet he became the respected leader of New Yevon. :D

Mierna
12-06-2007, 01:46 AM
Yunalesca struck Auron, he somehow climbed down Gagazet, told Kimahri to find Yuna, and was found by Rin and the Al Bhed at some point. Don't forget that.

The Yevon-obsessed people were never sent. The characters in the Via Infinito were:

Cloister 20: Kinoc as Aranea
Cloister 40: Jyscal as Black Elemental
Cloister 60: Mika as Concherer
Cloister 80: Yunalesca as Chac
Cloister 100: Zaon as Paragon

tenshi_flame
12-06-2007, 01:58 AM
Thanks..

I never made it past Cloister 30, so I had no idea about the rest with the exception of weak Kinoc whom didn't last one round. Yunalesca and Zaon will be in Via Infinito, cool!!!!!

tenshi_flame
12-06-2007, 10:17 AM
Firstly, Auron is not the only character that is dead. Seymour is dead, as well as two other Maysters if my memory serves me right. Also, I pretty muvh doubt that there is a spiritual form for the dead. So basically, everyone can see the dead , and that is that.

I almost forgot something.. Actually, I had forgotten it, but just remembered again. If I am correct, why doesn't Shuyin in FFX-2 follow your theory? After all, how come Shuyin, the guy who looked very similar in appearances to Tidus did not had a physical body. On top of that, he had possessed the great respected leader of New Yevon, Baralai so that by utilizing the abilities of Baralai, he can control Vegnagun. Thus, Shuyin's appearance and abilities contradict that of Auron and the Farplane.

Ceidwad
12-06-2007, 12:55 PM
Shuyin isn't an unsent, he's from the 'Dream Zanarkand' iirc. He resides in the Farplane, and thus his physical 'body' consists of pyreflies.

Mierna
12-07-2007, 11:38 PM
Yet, Shuyin still harbored hatred for Spira, thus he reappeared. (I think?)

tidusfan1
12-08-2007, 03:32 AM
shuyin is not from the dream zanarkand he's from the real one which makes me believe he was sent to the farplane were his anger still seemed to build up.

tenshi_flame
12-08-2007, 04:31 AM
So.. I didn't remember it wrong. Shuyin isn't from Dream Zanarkand, but rather the original Zanarkand. However, it was unclear how Shuyin died. During the start of FFX-2, Kimahri had found a sphere and give it to Yuna to view, a guy who resembles Tidus was running fast around the forest seemingly being hunted which indicates that he was alive, yet Lenne was not present in the sphere meaning that Shuyin had survived the New Yevon attacks when the two of them were attacked in the underground of Bevelle.

Anyways, for some reason.. Shuyin ended up in Farplane, yet he escaped due to his strong resentment against the New Yevon over Lenne and he managed to operate the ultimate machina, Vegnagun.

Seriously though, Vegnagun is pretty weak. It only took me 3 minutes to defeat the ultimate machina. As for Shuyin, he didn't last a minute.

tidusfan1
12-08-2007, 04:35 AM
yup easiest fight in history. And didn't kimahri give the sphere to rikku who gave it to yuna

Mierna
12-08-2007, 06:49 PM
Yeah. Shuyin died because the Yevon guards shot him.

tidusfan1
12-08-2007, 07:46 PM
yeah he and lenne died together. That part made me so sad.

tenshi_flame
12-09-2007, 06:49 AM
That part is pretty sad, but after seeing it over and over again, I will say no. It would be awesome if there is a spin-off based on Shuyin and Lenne. On the contrary, Shuyin's fighting style is too similar to Tidus, even his Overdrive was the same thing. Jeez..

Mierna
12-09-2007, 07:05 PM
It's all cause of Square's missing plotholes. >.<

On the other hand, one time my cousins told me that X-2 never existed cause Tidus and Yuna were shot. (They were referring to the FMV in the game where Yuna had a bad dream.) xD

tenshi_flame
12-10-2007, 06:07 AM
Your cousin is funny. On the contrary, that's what I had thought too when I saw the trailer before playing the game..

There is something I noticed while playing the two games. Tidus has two different facial appearances, as well as Yuna. During the streaming CG cutscenes, they look much different, yet not the same as Shuyin and Lenne. Pretty unique game!

tru0001
01-20-2008, 03:29 AM
Can i see screens. Well Yuna also looked different in the JP and US version of 1000 Words.... she looked more Asian in the JP version or that is possibly because of the lighting.

Tabris
01-21-2008, 01:46 AM
As for Shuyin coming back: Shuyin in X-2 isn't the same as Auron in X. What exists in X-2 is only a small fragment of Shuyin - his hatred and anger. That is like a single-minded inprint of him when Auron is about exactly the same as when he lived. (Much like the portraits in HP, I can imagine)

Meonna
01-26-2008, 10:59 PM
this is all so confusing

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