LeonAvian
01-22-2008, 10:07 AM
There is a lot of discussion about this amongst fans of the game the possibility of Laguna being Squall father. I think it would be cool if he was and I am almost convinced that it is possible but there are a few things that make it hard to be sure. Here are all the facts and speculations I have. It says in the booklet for the game that Squall is 17 when the game it taking place and that in the past flashbacks Laguna is 27 which means that if Squall is indeed Laguna�s son then in the present when Squall in 17 Laguna would have to be at least 44 or older. Now in the game it is revealed that Galbadia invaded Timber 18 years ago and that in the past when Laguna was 27 he was supposed to be deployed to fight in the war against Timber and there is evidence that he was there either way he ended up in Centra then was chased out and ended up in Winhill where he was bed rested and taken care of by Raine (who is believed to be Squall�s mother) for six months. Then six months later Kiros come to Winhill and visits Laguna they estimated that it had been a year since Centra which would make squall too old unless Timber was invaded 18 years ago but there was a war before the actual invasion that was one or more years long and Laguna was only part of that and not the actual invasion. Now there is still the fact that Squall was raised for a while as an orphan with Ellon who was there during the birth of the baby that we know was born from Raine and Ellon would know that Squall was Laguna and Raine�s son and would likely tell him. Now if this is true Squall being an orphan would make sense because Raine is supposed to have died after giving birth to here child (note that a pregnancy can take between 7- 12 months) and we also now that Laguna was not there see Raine�s child born we also know that Raine and Laguna end up married. This in all I can think of that matters right now so if anyone has ant thoughts on this or anything else in ff VIII feel free to leave them here in a reply or if you find any other facts that help or hurt the theory or any corrections please feel free to leave them here by posting a reply
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Espanha
01-22-2008, 02:51 PM
Laguna is most definitely not Squall's father. I can understand why players would think so but the hints found throughout the game used to support this theory are completely unfounded. There is no connection whatsoever between Laguna and Squall, except that they both met Ellone at one point in their lives.

Squall is actually a product of a special project funded by Galbadia Garden to create the ultimate SeeD soldier, one that would surpass anyone in battle, as well as having an infallible knack for planting and growing any kind of flower.

Hynad
01-22-2008, 03:19 PM
LMFAO!!!

Oh Espanha, you crack me up there.

But please, let the guy be proud that he finally discovered something that was quite obvious. Years after everyone else here.

Zak
01-22-2008, 05:10 PM
LMFAO!!!

Oh Espanha, you crack me up there.

But please, let the guy be proud that he finally discovered something that was quite obvious. Years after everyone else here.

Chill, it's possible the guy just played the game recently so he figured it out at a more reasonable time for "years after everyone else".

Psycho_Cyan
01-22-2008, 09:38 PM
At least this isn't yet another "R=U" thread.

Hawkeye_1138
01-22-2008, 10:58 PM
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Square just wanted to put something out that the fanboys would immediatley buy because Square made it, regardless of the fact that it may be a pile of shit and they didn't pay attention to making fine details of the game.


Also time kompression.

And I thought Laguna was Squall's uncle...or something...

LeonAvian
01-23-2008, 06:02 AM
Chill, it's possible the guy just played the game recently so he figured it out at a more reasonable time for "years after everyone else".

thanks that is the situation here

Hynad
01-23-2008, 06:10 AM
Of course it is.

Just keep in mind that there's not much you can make us realise about the games when they were out for a decade.

SquallLion90
01-26-2008, 01:15 AM
There is a lot of discussion about this amongst fans of the game the possibility of Laguna being Squall father. I think it would be cool if he was and I am almost convinced that it is possible but there are a few things that make it hard to be sure. Here are all the facts and speculations I have. It says in the booklet for the game that Squall is 17 when the game it taking place and that in the past flashbacks Laguna is 27 which means that if Squall is indeed Laguna�s son then in the present when Squall in 17 Laguna would have to be at least 44 or older. Now in the game it is revealed that Galbadia invaded Timber 18 years ago and that in the past when Laguna was 27 he was supposed to be deployed to fight in the war against Timber and there is evidence that he was there either way he ended up in Centra then was chased out and ended up in Winhill where he was bed rested and taken care of by Raine (who is believed to be Squall�s mother) for six months. Then six months later Kiros come to Winhill and visits Laguna they estimated that it had been a year since Centra which would make squall too old unless Timber was invaded 18 years ago but there was a war before the actual invasion that was one or more years long and Laguna was only part of that and not the actual invasion. Now there is still the fact that Squall was raised for a while as an orphan with Ellon who was there during the birth of the baby that we know was born from Raine and Ellon would know that Squall was Laguna and Raine�s son and would likely tell him. Now if this is true Squall being an orphan would make sense because Raine is supposed to have died after giving birth to here child (note that a pregnancy can take between 7- 12 months) and we also now that Laguna was not there see Raine�s child born we also know that Raine and Laguna end up married. This in all I can think of that matters right now so if anyone has ant thoughts on this or anything else in ff VIII feel free to leave them here in a reply or if you find any other facts that help or hurt the theory or any corrections please feel free to leave them here by posting a reply
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This does seem like a possibility, but there's no sure fire evidence that it's true. I really wish there was because it would make the story a lot more interesting (same with the rumor that Rinoa grows up to be Ultimecia.)

I just don't think Square would've made the story THAT complex.

tidusfan1
01-26-2008, 05:07 AM
if square spent half the time or money on this game as they did for FFVII or it's sequel/prequels I bet we would have a lot more information (and possibly a better game). This was one of my favorite FF games yet I still have no theory on whether laguna is squall's father He might be but it doesn't completely add up then again who else could it be right? Besides that did anyone ever think about the fact that if laguna is squall's father then if him and juila did end up together squall and rinoa could be related.

SquallLion90
01-26-2008, 05:28 AM
Interesting. I don't really pay attention to technical things like that in RPGs (I probably should lol.) Kind of off topic: That is true about Square paying so much attention to FF7 and it annoys me because I think most people like 10 the best and see 7 as overrated and I agree with them. Why does Square keep making FF7 spin-offs? Why not make a FF8 spin-off with Ultimecia coming back or with Squall and Rinoa's son (if they had one)? So many possibilities...

Even FF13's main character is based off of Cloud. Who cares about Cloud? NO BODY! They should make other characters in 13 based off of other FF protagonists.

Wei Yan
01-26-2008, 12:28 PM
Most people like 10 the best? Geez, time to pull your head outta yer arse :D

SquallLion90
01-26-2008, 01:20 PM
Most people like 10 the best? Geez, time to pull your head outta yer arse :D

lol, I'm pretty sure most people like 10 mostly for its very good story, but I personally like 8 and 12 the most, and 9 is starting to grow on me.

What is your opinion of which FF most people like? 7 is close in 2nd, but ever since Square has gone overboard with it, A LOT of people started to not like it.

Wei Yan
01-26-2008, 02:10 PM
VIII is by far the best, closely followed by VII. But I have also heard alot of die hard FF players say that II is pretty much the best out there, can't comfirm it as I haven't played it.

If people like 10 for it's story, they have a serious mental issue. The only reason I could figure to like X was Lulu's boobs. ^^ It's true that most players of the 'newer' generation prefer X, because they simply can't understand that hiding under lesser (read: outdated) graphics, there can be a game superior in gameplay, storyline and music. So yes, the kiddies like X. The die-hard FF players however, those that have been playing it for at least (!) 10 years now (geez, has it really been that long? ^^) will prefer any of the earlier Final Fantasies if only to avoid nancyboy Tidus.

Hynad
01-26-2008, 03:45 PM
VIII is by far the best, closely followed by VII. But I have also heard alot of die hard FF players say that II is pretty much the best out there, can't comfirm it as I haven't played it.

If people like 10 for it's story, they have a serious mental issue. The only reason I could figure to like X was Lulu's boobs. ^^ It's true that most players of the 'newer' generation prefer X, because they simply can't understand that hiding under lesser (read: outdated) graphics, there can be a game superior in gameplay, storyline and music. So yes, the kiddies like X. The die-hard FF players however, those that have been playing it for at least (!) 10 years now (geez, has it really been that long? ^^) will prefer any of the earlier Final Fantasies if only to avoid nancyboy Tidus.

Laughing at this guy's retardedness.

SquallLion90
01-26-2008, 04:20 PM
VIII is by far the best, closely followed by VII. But I have also heard alot of die hard FF players say that II is pretty much the best out there, can't comfirm it as I haven't played it.

If people like 10 for it's story, they have a serious mental issue. The only reason I could figure to like X was Lulu's boobs. ^^ It's true that most players of the 'newer' generation prefer X, because they simply can't understand that hiding under lesser (read: outdated) graphics, there can be a game superior in gameplay, storyline and music. So yes, the kiddies like X. The die-hard FF players however, those that have been playing it for at least (!) 10 years now (geez, has it really been that long? ^^) will prefer any of the earlier Final Fantasies if only to avoid nancyboy Tidus.

Hmm, I think 8 is the best also, but I don't think it's "by far". In fact, a lot of people say they hated the Junction System, of course I thought it was very good.

This is ALL my opinion, but I think you're stretching it with the whole "mental issue" thing. Think about it, what are many FF storylines based on? I believe there is always some big element of "love" in them. I don't remember too much about 5 and before, but I know 7 had Cloud/Aeris, 8 had Squall/Rinoa + Laguna/Julia (not sure if I'm correct, but I think it was her at the end lol), and 9 had Zidane/Garnet. Those 3 games are all seen as classics in the eyes of FF fans old, and most of the new with their love stories because it allowed the player to develop feelings for the game's characters, thus making the overall story memorable regardless of what the gameplay and music was like for most people. So it only seems natural for them to continue with the theme in FF10 and go full force with it. I like the story at little bit, but I didn't like many of the characters, and I really hated the gameplay. Anyway, since the game had a story like that, it allowed the player to connect more with the characters (mainly Yuna and Titus of course) and that made the game so popular. Plus (as you know), it was the first FF to have voice acting which put more "life" into it's characters.

Mind you, I don't like 10 a whole lot and I agree with you on most things, but I can see why most fans like it regardless of which one is seen as the "best" by long time FF fans (which is very debatable.)

Hynad
01-26-2008, 04:26 PM
Most of the long time fans of the series here agree that the best FF in the series is IX. But to really enjoy that game to the fullest, You'd have to have known the classics of the series. That is, the games that came before the wave of mindless fans appeared, which coincides with the release of FF VII.

Hawkeye_1138
01-27-2008, 05:56 AM
How did this go from the conspiracy theory thread of Squall being Laguna's mother(or something) to a "What is your favorite Final Fantasy?" thread?

Wei Yan
01-27-2008, 12:24 PM
How did this go from the conspiracy theory thread of Squall being Laguna's mother(or something) to a "What is your favorite Final Fantasy?" thread?

Magic, it happens sometimes. It was clearly stated that it isen't so, so we needed something else to talk about :)

Besides, I'm not THAT retarded. I just very much dislike Tidus. Didn't like Zidane too much either for that matter. Though I have to agree that when it comes to gameplay and soundtrack IX is outstanding ^^

tidusfan1
01-27-2008, 05:04 PM
I have been playing final fantasy for a long time and x is my favorite. Not cause I liked the love story though Tidus and yuna is just another anime/game clich� if you ask me i would have preferred tidus/rikku but I liked the story (the whole sin thing not the love story) and I think that x-2 was fun but nowhere near as good as x or any other ff game including XII. Tidus also happens to be my favorite ff main character cause he wasn't anything like the other ones. But for me FFVIII still has the best battle system.

Espanha
01-28-2008, 03:42 PM
This does seem like a possibility, but there's no sure fire evidence that it's true

You are one blind fuck.


They should make other characters in 13 based off of other FF protagonists.

Or, you know, come up with new ones so the rest of us wouldn't have to deal with recycled characters shat out by a lazy team of programmers that think we're all fucking stupid because of people like you.

Base FFXIII's characters on previous protagonists. Please die.

Hynad
01-28-2008, 03:47 PM
Espanha, so far the main protagonist in FF XIII is reminiscent of Terra in FFVI. But personaly, if they can come up with some original ideas, I don't see that as a bad thing.

So far I'm interested in FF XIII's setting and main character. I only hope the writers won't let me down like they did with FFX. They barely succeeded in FF XII, but the characters didn't have enough lines and weren't fully developed.

Espanha
01-28-2008, 03:54 PM
I agree that VI is a great game, with appealing characters but that's not really the point. The point is this person who I hope gets into a fight with a giant squid and loses, is the reason games have little to no innovation nowadays.

"Recycling is ok!" is their bloody mantra and companies are more than happy to comply and spit out game after game after game after game after game after game after game similar to one another, while guys like SquallLion90 lap it all up.

Hynad
01-28-2008, 04:00 PM
LOL, yeah I agree with you about that. There's been a trend going on since the late 90s that implies playing bland characters that have no depth, but look bad ass. Every retarded teen with no minds will want to control a bad ass character in a game.

It's asnnoying, really. If a character has some depths and emotions, then the people laugh at people loving them because they label these characters as emo. As if feeling like a human being was lame. Then you have the empty bad ass looking characters that these retarded robots love because they are violent and look like Matrix characters.


It shows that even in this so called avanced state of evolution (yeah right, the movie Idiocracy makes a lot of sense) people are still focused more on the looks then on the contents.

Marshall Lee
01-28-2008, 04:18 PM
There is a lot of discussion about this amongst fans of the game the possibility of Laguna being Squall father. I think it would be cool if he was and I am almost convinced that it is possible but there are a few things that make it hard to be sure. Here are all the facts and speculations I have. It says in the booklet for the game that Squall is 17 when the game it taking place and that in the past flashbacks Laguna is 27 which means that if Squall is indeed Laguna�s son then in the present when Squall in 17 Laguna would have to be at least 44 or older. Now in the game it is revealed that Galbadia invaded Timber 18 years ago and that in the past when Laguna was 27 he was supposed to be deployed to fight in the war against Timber and there is evidence that he was there either way he ended up in Centra then was chased out and ended up in Winhill where he was bed rested and taken care of by Raine (who is believed to be Squall�s mother) for six months. Then six months later Kiros come to Winhill and visits Laguna they estimated that it had been a year since Centra which would make squall too old unless Timber was invaded 18 years ago but there was a war before the actual invasion that was one or more years long and Laguna was only part of that and not the actual invasion. Now there is still the fact that Squall was raised for a while as an orphan with Ellon who was there during the birth of the baby that we know was born from Raine and Ellon would know that Squall was Laguna and Raine�s son and would likely tell him. Now if this is true Squall being an orphan would make sense because Raine is supposed to have died after giving birth to here child (note that a pregnancy can take between 7- 12 months) and we also now that Laguna was not there see Raine�s child born we also know that Raine and Laguna end up married. This in all I can think of that matters right now so if anyone has ant thoughts on this or anything else in ff VIII feel free to leave them here in a reply or if you find any other facts that help or hurt the theory or any corrections please feel free to leave them here by posting a reply


if you followed the subtle hints through until beating the game then you should have a fairly good guess.

FF1WithAllThieves
01-28-2008, 06:54 PM
Also, if you followed the very subtle hints that Espanha's quote was made up, as is evidenced by the assertion that Squall is a product of genetic engineering. Really, that theory makes no sense at all in relation to the plot. I can't believe how many people believed that quote.

fairy_porch_queen
01-29-2008, 01:54 PM
Laguna is squalls father and Raine is his mother.

fairy_porch_queen
01-29-2008, 01:55 PM
Also, if you followed the very subtle hints that Espanha's quote was made up, as is evidenced by the assertion that Squall is a product of genetic engineering. Really, that theory makes no sense at all in relation to the plot. I can't believe how many people believed that quote.

I agree here too, i mean it sounds like this person is getting confused with Final fantasy VII

Turda�wen
01-29-2008, 02:44 PM
Hmm, I think 8 is the best also, but I don't think it's "by far". In fact, a lot of people say they hated the Junction System, of course I thought it was very good.

This is ALL my opinion, but I think you're stretching it with the whole "mental issue" thing. Think about it, what are many FF storylines based on? I believe there is always some big element of "love" in them. I don't remember too much about 5 and before, but I know 7 had Cloud/Aeris, 8 had Squall/Rinoa + Laguna/Julia (not sure if I'm correct, but I think it was her at the end lol), and 9 had Zidane/Garnet. Those 3 games are all seen as classics in the eyes of FF fans old, and most of the new with their love stories because it allowed the player to develop feelings for the game's characters, thus making the overall story memorable regardless of what the gameplay and music was like for most people. So it only seems natural for them to continue with the theme in FF10 and go full force with it. I like the story at little bit, but I didn't like many of the characters, and I really hated the gameplay. Anyway, since the game had a story like that, it allowed the player to connect more with the characters (mainly Yuna and Titus of course) and that made the game so popular. Plus (as you know), it was the first FF to have voice acting which put more "life" into it's characters.

Mind you, I don't like 10 a whole lot and I agree with you on most things, but I can see why most fans like it regardless of which one is seen as the "best" by long time FF fans (which is very debatable.)

The woman at the end is Raine, not Julia.

Actually, on the 2nd floor of the pub at Dollet (at the Card Master's Room. The one he invites you to if you defeat him), there are a bunch of piles of magazines and stuff were you can read a diary that looks like Caraway's, telling how he met and married Julia and about Rinoa's birth. Raine also tells Laguna Julia got married after Laguna not returning from that 'Lunatic Pandora' mission.

Doing the sidequests and checking out the right places, it gets pretty obvious that Squall is Raine's and Laguna's kid and Rinoa is Julia's.

And all that competition between the FF games is just plain stupid. I mean, why do you even have to put them on a scale? There are the good ones and others not so good. Better ones and some are just ok. But they're are usually so different from eachother, taking in consideration, of course, that they're a series, I see no point and making a rank list.

fairy_porch_queen
01-29-2008, 02:53 PM
[QUOTE=Turda�wen;978984]The woman at the end is Raine, not Julia.

Actually, on the 2nd floor of the pub at Dollet (at the Card Master's Room. The one he invites you to if you defeat him), there are a bunch of piles of magazines and stuff were you can read a diary that looks like Caraway's, telling how he met and married Julia and about Rinoa's birth. Raine also tells Laguna Julia got married after Laguna not returning from that 'Lunatic Pandora' mission.

Doing the sidequests and checking out the right places, it gets pretty obvious that Squall is Raine's and Laguna's kid and Rinoa is Julia's.QUOTE]

This is all completely true i agree with it all :)

execrable gumwrapper
02-02-2008, 03:36 AM
Is this topic necessary? I mean it's pretty hard to not know Laguna is Squall's father, unless you played the game without reading anything.

Darth Revan
02-02-2008, 05:22 AM
Is this topic necessary? I mean it's pretty hard to not know Laguna is Squall's father, unless you played the game without reading anything.

Well, there are some people out there, who wear blinders and refuse to listen to the information given to them (and stated in the game and on other forums), and prefer to live in their happy little place, sitting in front of their tv's, playing a game and creaming their pants in excitement.

Then there are others who say "Meh, it's just a game.".

IDX
02-03-2008, 03:42 AM
I think it's pretty stupid to get worked over about.

"I think you're gay because you think my favorite game is gay!" or some stupid shit like that :). It's a fucking game. If you need to put that much thought into something as silly as a storyline of a video game, then you need to get out more and make more friends.

Wei Yan
02-03-2008, 01:54 PM
Yeah, it sure is gay thinking about a Final Fantasy storyline and writing about it on a Final Fantasy fansite.

*Jimmy voice* I mean... Come on...

execrable gumwrapper
02-03-2008, 03:28 PM
Yeah, it sure is gay thinking about a Final Fantasy storyline and writing about it on a Final Fantasy fansite.

*Jimmy voice* I mean... Come on...

It's different when the topic is on the same page of durr as "Selphie=Female?"

Fucking newbie....

Wei Yan
02-03-2008, 11:05 PM
It's different when the topic is on the same page of durr as "Selphie=Female?"

Fucking newbie....

Maaaaaybe.

Now be a good boy.

tidusfan1
02-03-2008, 11:47 PM
I find it funny that people say it's stupid to contemplate a video game story line when people and the media could sit their for years talking about "the true meaning" of a book. really it's just a hobby something people like to do and people usually care about things they like to do though you shouldn't turn into a hikikimori or anything. Hell I'm not buying a 50 dollar game to get nothing out of it even if it is years of laughing at fanboys in flame wars over their favorite anime girl.

IDX
02-04-2008, 03:42 AM
A pretty boring and meaningless hobby if you ask me. A book can have various outlooks to various people. That's just common sense. Everyone takes things differently but it's stupid to say that what you think the book means is right and what everyone else thinks is wrong. Especially these theories that people come up with. Most of them are nothing short of shitty and way off key.

Wei Yan
02-04-2008, 03:20 PM
A pretty boring and meaningless hobby if you ask me. A book can have various outlooks to various people. That's just common sense. Everyone takes things differently but it's stupid to say that what you think the book means is right and what everyone else thinks is wrong. Especially these theories that people come up with. Most of them are nothing short of shitty and way off key.

You should try reading some Tolkien theories. Now there's shitty and way off key. :)

I agree that you can't apply contemplating on just any game, let's say Halo. The story doesn't have that much in it, it's basically just shooting everything to smithereens.

However when it comes to games like the Final Fantasy saga, that usually have a semi-descent storyline, I think it's basically ok to do it there.

IDX
02-04-2008, 06:31 PM
I can barely read his books. It's a hard read :D.

The Halo series has a basic storyline. Aliens come to blast the Earth. In the first game, they just try to stop them from reaching Earth, but in an attempt to flee the space station, they land on Halo. Then they find out what it is and try stopping the Covenant at the same time. Second game is the aliens find Earth and we try to drive them out along with other things. Still pretty basic but there's more now than the previous. And the third game is basically wiping out the Covenant and the flood and saving the earth in the process. But we all know that the game doesn't revolve around the storyline like the FF games; it's revolved around gameplay and of course their multiplayer.

But discussing storylines is fine with me if it involves around other peoples outlooks on it and what the game means to them. And if you must, give your reasons. But saying things like "I have a theory and it's the U=R one!" that is just a theory that's meaningless is stupid. Or why did things that did happen a certain didn't happen any other way is stupid. It did and you can't do anything about it so accept it.

Wei Yan
02-05-2008, 12:59 PM
I can barely read his books. It's a hard read :D.

The Halo series has a basic storyline. Aliens come to blast the Earth. In the first game, they just try to stop them from reaching Earth, but in an attempt to flee the space station, they land on Halo. Then they find out what it is and try stopping the Covenant at the same time. Second game is the aliens find Earth and we try to drive them out along with other things. Still pretty basic but there's more now than the previous. And the third game is basically wiping out the Covenant and the flood and saving the earth in the process. But we all know that the game doesn't revolve around the storyline like the FF games; it's revolved around gameplay and of course their multiplayer.

But discussing storylines is fine with me if it involves around other peoples outlooks on it and what the game means to them. And if you must, give your reasons. But saying things like "I have a theory and it's the U=R one!" that is just a theory that's meaningless is stupid. Or why did things that did happen a certain didn't happen any other way is stupid. It did and you can't do anything about it so accept it.

I completely agree, it's just that the fact that Laguna is Squall's father isen't explitily stated, so some people with the IQ of a fried potato feel the need to discuss the hints they think that people similar to them were oblivious to. :)

So grant the kids their lolly, they can't help it either. :P

IDX
02-05-2008, 02:19 PM
Meh, I guess. Carry on then! :)

haseox
02-05-2008, 05:08 PM
laguna was the one who is a product of genetic engineering...
lol~~~
so....who reine's and laguna's son?? =.=;; laguna and reine had a child right?

Wei Yan
02-05-2008, 05:55 PM
laguna was the one who is a product of genetic engineering...
lol~~~
so....who reine's and laguna's son?? =.=;; laguna and reine had a child right?

Their son was a fried potato.

FF1WithAllThieves
02-05-2008, 06:21 PM
Their child was Wilt Chamberlain.

Furthermore, Zell and Quistis had a little bit of an affair after the game, and from that union was born Woodrow Wilson, the first man to score fourteen points in one basketball game.

licorice-embryo
02-26-2008, 12:23 AM
I always thought they were related.. either Laguna being a father or uncle, but I guess they aren't as I've recently heard. I still haven't completed the game yet, lol.

Wings-of-Leon
09-20-2009, 12:15 AM
There is a lot of discussion about this amongst fans of the game the possibility of Laguna being Squall father. I think it would be cool if he was and I am almost convinced that it is possible but there are a few things that make it hard to be sure. Here are all the facts and speculations I have. It says in the booklet for the game that Squall is 17 when the game it taking place and that in the past flashbacks Laguna is 27 which means that if Squall is indeed Laguna�s son then in the present when Squall in 17 Laguna would have to be at least 44 or older. Now in the game it is revealed that Galbadia invaded Timber 18 years ago and that in the past when Laguna was 27 he was supposed to be deployed to fight in the war against Timber and there is evidence that he was there either way he ended up in Centra then was chased out and ended up in Winhill where he was bed rested and taken care of by Raine (who is believed to be Squall�s mother) for six months. Then six months later Kiros come to Winhill and visits Laguna they estimated that it had been a year since Centra which would make squall too old unless Timber was invaded 18 years ago but there was a war before the actual invasion that was one or more years long and Laguna was only part of that and not the actual invasion. Now there is still the fact that Squall was raised for a while as an orphan with Ellon who was there during the birth of the baby that we know was born from Raine and Ellon would know that Squall was Laguna and Raine�s son and would likely tell him. Now if this is true Squall being an orphan would make sense because Raine is supposed to have died after giving birth to here child (note that a pregnancy can take between 7- 12 months) and we also now that Laguna was not there see Raine�s child born we also know that Raine and Laguna end up married. This in all I can think of that matters right now so if anyone has ant thoughts on this or anything else in ff VIII feel free to leave them here in a reply or if you find any other facts that help or hurt the theory or any corrections please feel free to leave them here by posting a reply
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Unlike FFVII where Square had to make 4 games to explain things, Eight was left for fanboys/fans to merely theorize on some points(which I really, really, REALLY hope they will either remake or make a sequel to this game, anyway..)

Points like: Who is Ultimecia? Is Laguna Squall's Father? Does Ward ever get his voice back?!(Joke) I personally support the theory of Rinoa is Ultimecia, after convincing evidence and well..a lot of contradictions that basically said "just because". And I support that Laguna is Squall's father...why? Here's my evidence.

#1: Laguna was "in love"(They talked for a hour, maybe? Ah well, I'll go with it, because love is the theme of my favorite Final Fantasy) with Julia Heartilly(Rinoa's Mother, married to Fury Caraway later), as she was in love with him, after he had come to many performances by her at the hotel where she played. When Laguna and Julia are talking in her room, they share that they have feelings for each other(however indirectly, and in Laguna's case, stupidly), Kiros interrupts a moment when they might have kissed by yelling "Laguna, we have new orders!" or something along those lines. Laguna was sent off to war, Julia and Laguna never saw each other again. Squall and Rinoa falling love in a way fulfills their parents' love.

#2: Laguna rushed off to search for Ellone, ending up in Esthar, finding/rescueing her and sending her back to Raine(whom he married, as seen in the flashback in the ending FMV). He never saw her again, as he became president of Esthar(now how he did, I want to know who the hell thought it was a great idea to put him in charge). Raine died in childbirth, and the baby and Ellone were sent to orphanage. Now, with this fact, it could have been Zell, Irvine or even Seifer(O.o Laguna would make one messed up kid, wouldn't he?..nevermind.)... but! No one was more closely connected to Ellone than Squall, who constantly sat in the rain outside the orphanage talking about "sis", after Ellone had been sent away one the White SeeD ship.(How is SeeD even pronounced?! >.< Moving on..)

#3: On the Ragnarok, after accepting Dr.Odine's "brilliant" plan to save everyone(Let's stop time compression by making time compression!), Laguna, Kiros, and Ward all pile onto the ship for the briefing. After which, you can talk to them.
Ward: "....." Kiros: "[Ward said: "You look like your mother"]" (I'm not entirely 100% right on with these, but it's the gist. want the quote? look it up.)
Then you talk to Kiros..
Kiros: "Atleast you don't look like your father."
Hmm..they know?
Laguna: "Speak with me after this is done, I have alot to talk to you about."
BUT GUESS WHAT! ..you never get to, the game ends...or does it? I probably rushed it to see the ending the last time I played.
Well, the Kiros/Ward things are important.

#4: I would say, "They look alike!" but..then again..I could play Cloud and Tidus as Squall's brothers and that would fly. I once saw a jerk-off who's contradiction to this theory is "Squall is Leonhart, and Laguna has the last name Loire!"...Seriously?
As seen in Winhill, the people HATED Laguna(just talk to the Shop Owner), and when he left, probably hated him more. Raine died in childbirth, so they name the baby Squall, but do they give him the name Loire, or Raine's maiden name? Just a bit of food for thought.

#5: Here's all three names of the family, with definitions/allusions of them..
Laguna - The word "Laguna" is actually a Spanish word and it means lagoon in English. A lagoon is a body of water that has been cut off by a reef of coral or sand from a larger body of water.
Raine - ..Rain, right?
Squall - A squall is a sudden, sharp increase in wind speed which is usually associated with active weather, such as rain showers, thunderstorms, or heavy snow.
...Honestly, how does this not get into some people's skulls? They all have the same type of name, it relates to WATER! (gasp!)

Here are my points, take them as you will, Square never meant for the game to be completely figured out in concrete proof, or they would have put more things in obviously. But come on guys, this is the easy theory. and the most possible.

Bafaltin
04-15-2012, 09:53 PM
Ff 8 was a game of amazing storyline and quality. It has the rare trait that it forces the player to question things in the game but also in reality. I have read hundreds of books, novels, and manga. Nothing has ever made me question the price there is for power and doing the right thing. Oh and ff 10 is garbage. There is more storyline (and story depth) in the first disc of ff8 than in the whole of ff10. I agree with whoever said the only enjoyable the only enjoyable thing about that game was lulus boobs.

Wei Yan
04-15-2012, 10:00 PM
Ff 8 was a game of amazing storyline and quality. It has the rare trait that it forces the player to question things in the game but also in reality. I have read hundreds of books, novels, and manga. Nothing has ever made me question the price there is for power and doing the right thing. Oh and ff 10 is garbage. There is more storyline (and story depth) in the first disc of ff8 than in the whole of ff10. I agree with whoever said the only enjoyable the only enjoyable thing about that game was lulus boobs.

Why thank you for reviving a 3 year old thread and doing it by mentioning boobs. My hat off to you sir. However, I have awfull news for you.

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Bafaltin
04-18-2012, 12:40 AM
Ok three things... I lied four things
1. I am not a noob
2. Id like to know how old you think I am
3. I only mentioned boobs once in the last sentence of my post
4. Im pretty sure a good amount people would agree lulus cleavage is ginormous and is the only reason they kept playin that steaming pile of crap called ff10. And I spit at anyone who says it had a good storyline. There are two words that describe ff10. Pulp fiction. I just hate ff10. I love forums

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A pretty boring and meaningless hobby if you ask me. A book can have various outlooks to various people. That's just common sense. Everyone takes things differently but it's stupid to say that what you think the book means is right and what everyone else thinks is wrong. Especially these theories that people come up with. Most of them are nothing short of shitty and way off key.
You sir have obviously never read fanfiction. Books can be twisted just as much as a video game can. And while I dont agree with the U=R theory, I think it does have a little credit. What do you think would happen if rinoa become a sorceress in a world that didnt have ultimecia? Squall would have died fending off ppl comin to try to kill/kidnap/manipulate/seal her. The line between sanity and insanity is a thin line called love. Break it and your whole world snaps.[COLOR="Silver"]
snaps.

Darth Revan
04-18-2012, 12:46 AM
I wasn't going to respond anymore in this thread, until I read that you Bafaltin said that the 'U=R theory' has a 'little credit'. It doesn't have ANY credit. I'm not going to go into detail in this thread, but I will point you out to this thread about it : Dispute of Final Fantasy 8 - Rinoa and Ultimecia (Thread 82715).

In any event, like Wei Yan said, in their own way... Thread Necromancy is frowned upon, when it does nothing to offer to new information etc when the topic in question has already been discussed numerous times and the answer has been made and generally accepted. Next time you post a reply, look at the date of the last post... if it's any older than three months +, then don't revive it. If you have a valid reasoning for making a post, then make a new thread regarding it.

Bafaltin
04-18-2012, 01:01 AM
I understand about the thread necromancy as you put it. I fully apologize for that. I will not apologize for what I said about the U=R theory. I stated that I dont believe it however unless the storyline writers come out and say its not true, all things are possible. That is the greatness of final fantasy. Now to the abyss with this thread!! I shall make a new one and I look forward to intelligently discussing this topic with yourself and anyone.else who wants their say in it. I will read the thread you linked first though.

Enkidoh
04-18-2012, 01:17 AM
It's okay, you didn't know (I think I should put a notice up in the main section about thread necromancy). However, having said that, officially there is no actual official rules on reviving old dead threads. So the idea of 'don't revive a thread if the last post was made more than a month ago and the thread isn't on the first page' is more something I prefer to follow (and whom Revan, who is a great friend of mine, also upholds too). But I am willing to bend such rules from time to time. :)

Anyway, don't be discouraged about stating your theories - as you said that's what a forum is for and you are free to discuss it here. Even if the theory has been proven wrong. ;).

Also I'm leaving this thread alone as is. I only lock threads if they turn into absolute flame fests (and if that happens, often people get banned).

Sheechiibii
05-09-2012, 12:13 AM
I kind of take Laguna being Squall's father as pretty much 100% canon. The names are a dead give away (Laguna, Squall and Raine are all forms of water), the time line, that Raine dies while Laguna is away searching for Ellone and this happens to be the same time Squall was born. I know everyone at the orphanage called Ellone sis but she was always sort of portrayed as Squalls sister more than anyone else’s. The thing that Ward says in the Ragnarok at the end (about Squall not looking like his father). It just makes so much sense, otherwise what are all these indications for if it's not true :)

I don't believe R=U though, or S=D because they just make no sense whatsoever and are mainly based on things that are either not in the game or are in the game but could mean any number of things. Also, I like the idea of Laguna being Squall's father, I don't like the idea of Squall being dead or Rinoa being Ultimecia.

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