Dragonsoul
04-11-2008, 10:56 AM
I've planned to buy a Playstation 3 when Final Fantasy XIII comes out. Instead of being in a situation where I'm annoyed at waiting another year and a half for Final Fantasy XIII I found something to help out with this wait. I know of the PS 3 and Xbox 360 Square Enix rpg The Last Remnant, which will be out this year. I'm hoping now that the PS 3 version will include a playable demo of Final Fantasy XIII. If that's the case then I will be waiting until this Fall to get a Playstation 3 and get The Last Remnant, and play a demo of Final Fantasy XIII!

This new hope of mine helps out with the wait. I hope The Last Remnant is going to be good. I thought it would be out this Spring though, oh well.

What do you think?

J. Peterman
04-11-2008, 02:48 PM
i am waiting for it so much i am crying

Ubernoob
04-11-2008, 05:14 PM
Do you think it will come out for the 360?

If not I'm going to have to try and save for a PS3 (God hope not)

execrable gumwrapper
04-11-2008, 06:21 PM
Why do idiots still ask if it's coming out for the 360?

/facepalm

Ubernoob
04-11-2008, 06:24 PM
Why do idiots still ask if it's coming out for the 360?

/facepalm

Hey hey hey!

I don't stay on the Final Fantasy world news every waking minute (read the name)

execrable gumwrapper
04-11-2008, 06:26 PM
Yeah but there's a thread on the first page of this sub-forum that states "ffxiii and versusxiii 100% ps3 exclusive!!!" or something along those lines.

So you have no excuse.

Prak
04-11-2008, 06:29 PM
Why do idiots still ask if it's coming out for the 360?

/facepalm

That's a bit out of line. There's a big difference between ignorance and idiocy, and while I'm perfectly fine with mocking people for the latter, ignorance doesn't deserve it. The fact is that, like the guy said, not everyone follows every bit of news in the industry.

Also, it is not impossible for the game to make its way to 360. Square-Enix is still a third party, and it's been shown that the engine is compatible, so to deny the possibility entirely is far more dumb than asking about it. As for that thread you mentioned about it being exclusive, there's another next to it that says it isn't, so the thread titles can cause plenty of confusion.

Ubernoob
04-11-2008, 06:31 PM
"ffxiii and versusxiii 100% ps3 exclusive!!!"......I like to speak english....

Guilty as charge! I'm an idiot, retart, and a stupid member!

Hope you feel a little power now that I admitted defeat....don't let it keep you up with excitement....

Oh ya and Dragonsoul I might also get Last Remnant...not to pass the time for FFXIII but for Resident Evil 5.

Harkus
04-11-2008, 06:46 PM
I've heard that The last remnant does have a FFXIII demo.

Prak
04-11-2008, 07:14 PM
Source or you're a liar.

Harkus
04-11-2008, 07:20 PM
Source or you're a liar.

My bad it was an april fools poted on several websites lol, i should read the full story next time lol.

Prak
04-11-2008, 07:23 PM
Source on that or you're a liar trying to cover your tracks.

Harkus
04-11-2008, 07:25 PM
Source on that or you're a liar trying to cover your tracks.

well here's the source for the full story http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/2821.html

Prak
04-11-2008, 07:35 PM
I am satisfied. Your reputation is undamaged, save for a few chuckles about your gullibility.

execrable gumwrapper
04-12-2008, 01:00 AM
That's a bit out of line. There's a big difference between ignorance and idiocy, and while I'm perfectly fine with mocking people for the latter, ignorance doesn't deserve it. The fact is that, like the guy said, not everyone follows every bit of news in the industry.

Also, it is not impossible for the game to make its way to 360. Square-Enix is still a third party, and it's been shown that the engine is compatible, so to deny the possibility entirely is far more dumb than asking about it. As for that thread you mentioned about it being exclusive, there's another next to it that says it isn't, so the thread titles can cause plenty of confusion.


Never mind, I've just been updated on Crystal Tools.

Also, wasn't that other thread saying it wasn't PS3 exclusive a big joke to mess with the fanboys?

Dragonsoul
04-12-2008, 04:23 AM
If you want something ultimate, go here, and click to go to the main site, and listen to the music!
http://na.square-enix.com/remnant/index.php

ZER0MUS
04-14-2008, 03:37 AM
wait, so does it have a demo or not? O_o im assuming no one knows yet. I havent even heard of The Last Remnant. Ill look into it lol

RikkuYunaRinoa
04-14-2008, 03:58 AM
:( ...:rolleyes:

execrable gumwrapper
04-14-2008, 04:36 AM
wait, so does it have a demo or not? O_o im assuming no one knows yet. I havent even heard of The Last Remnant. Ill look into it lol

i <3 n00bie p0sts LOLOLOLOL

Hynad
04-14-2008, 03:27 PM
Swami, is it you trying to get revange, because of the way your moronic comments get responded?,

Harkus
04-14-2008, 04:17 PM
I havent even heard of The Last Remnant. Ill look into it lol

Yeah check it out, it's looking very good.

thej.master
04-14-2008, 04:22 PM
Hell, I'll get the game even if it doesn't have an FFXIII demo.

Keep waiting!

ZER0MUS
04-14-2008, 04:29 PM
i <3 n00bie p0sts LOLOLOLOL

ha. you got me man. Im totally a n00bie. :rolleyes: I havent been on any forum in a while, or even on the internet really. but i kinda missed it so, im back. Anyways, The last remnant does look pretty cool =)

Harkus
04-14-2008, 04:29 PM
Yeah so will I definately.

ZER0MUS
04-14-2008, 04:29 PM
i <3 n00bie p0sts LOLOLOLOL

ha. you got me man. Im totally a n00bie. :rolleyes: I havent been on any forum in a while, or even on the internet really. but i kinda missed it so, im back. Anyways, The last remnant does look pretty cool

execrable gumwrapper
04-14-2008, 06:35 PM
Swami, is it you trying to get revange, because of the way your moronic comments get responded?,


STOP TROLLING, HYNAD

Hynad
04-14-2008, 09:35 PM
i <3 n00bie p0sts LOLOLOLOL


STOP TROLLING, SWAMI!


Now shut the fuck off.

execrable gumwrapper
04-14-2008, 10:35 PM
Now shut the fuck off.


STOP TROLLING, HYNAD

Dragonsoul
04-15-2008, 04:14 AM
This is a list of the original Japanese and North American release dates for all the games developed by the main Final Fantasy team. I listed how many months each game took in development for it's Japanese release also.


Final Fantasy I 12-18-87(n/a) 7-12-90
Final Fantasy II 12-17-88(12m)
Final Fantasy III 4-27-90(16m)
Final Fantasy IV 7-19-91(15m) 11-23-91
Final Fantasy V 12-6-92(17m)
Final Fantasy VI 4-2-94(16m) 10-11-94
Final Fantasy VII 1-31-97(31m) 9-7-97
Final Fantasy VIII 2-11-99(25m) 9-7-99
Final Fantasy X 7-19-01(29m) 12-20-01
Final Fantasy X-2 3-13-03(20m) 11-18-03
Final Fantasy XIII n/a(61m so far) n/a

Final Fantasy IX 7-7-00 11-14-00
Final Fantasy XI 5-16-02 10-28-03
Final Fantasy XII 3-16-06 10-31-06
Final Fantasy V. XIII Spring 10? Fall 10?

Notice how IX, XI, XII, and Versus XIII are listed in a seperate section. FF IX is made by a partially different team. FF IX has the same people working on Producer, Game Designer, and Composer as FF VIII. FF IX has different people working on Director, Character Designer, Scenario Writer, and Art Director than FF VIII. FF IX was originally not planned to be part of the main FF series. Also, FF XI is not developed by the main FF team. The team that worked on Xenogears and Chrono Cross split up after Chrono Cross. Some went to Monolith Soft and made Xenosaga 1-3 and some stayed with Square Enix and worked on FF XI and it's expansion packs and the upcoming "Rapture" mmorpg. FF XII is not by the main FF team, it's made by the Yasumi Matsuno team. This FF XII team made Ogre Battle, Tactics Ogre, Final Fantasy Tactics, Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy XII, then since then we don't know where most of the team is at now. Final Fantasy Versus XIII is the same team from Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2.

Ok, now let's get back to the issue of the length of time it's taking for FF XIII. Here are the months in order for the development time for each Japanese release of FF 1-FF 6: ?, 12, 16, 15, 17, and 16. It takes a year or a year and a half for those games. After FF VI Square Enix had some work to do to get into 3d gaming. It worked on the "Final Fantasy VI: The Interactive CG Game"(search on wikipedia for FF VI) to get more used to 3d. Then it worked on FF VII and from FF VI to FF VII was 31 months, including the unknown length of time spent working on FF VI: The Interactive CG Game. It took a bit of work to jump from Snes to PS 1. Final Fantasy VII took 25 months, although Square didn't make anything similar to FF VI: The Interactive CG Game this time, but maybe they wanted to spend a decent amount of time on FF VIII considering how successful FF VI was, maybe they wanted to top it. After this Square worked on FF X and it took 29 months, but this included a jump from PS 1 to PS 2. Don't forget that FF IX was made by mostly a different team. After FF X the team worked on FF X-2 but they reused graphics and the development didn't take as long, only 20 months. FF X-2 came out in Japan in March 2003. Since then, we are now in April 2008, 61 months later! We have no Final Fantasy XIII yet. We got FF XI and FF XII but those are from different developmental teams. Also FF Versus XIII is coming out, but it's not from the main FF team.

I'm wondering how come this game Final Fantasy XIII is taking so long to come out? I know there is a jump from PS 2 to PS 3 but that can only be part of the story. Maybe some members of the team were busy since they helped out a little with some Kingdom Hearts stuff and Compilation of Final Fantasy VII stuff. Maybe there is some problem in the development. What are your theories on this? I'm excited! :)

execrable gumwrapper
04-15-2008, 04:27 AM
I think it also has to do with them perfecting the Crystal Tools.

Prak
04-15-2008, 01:39 PM
My goodness. Does Dragonsoul just invent whatever bullshit he thinks sounds good without any regard whatsoever to actual facts?

I love how he claims that FFIX wasn't supposed to be part of the main series and that it can't count with all those others because it had a different team or something when all the people he singled out for being different had been involved in prior games. I'm sure there was more idiotic nonsense, but I couldn't be bothered to read all of of his boring tripe.

Hynad
04-16-2008, 03:34 AM
It's particularly laughable since right at the beginning of the intro movie in FF IX, you can see in big fonts:

Art Director: Hideo Minaba
Image Illustration: Yoshitaka Amano
Original Score & Music: Nobuo Uematsu
Real Time Graphics: Akira Fujii
Event Design: Kazuhiko Aoki
World Map Graphics: Masahide Tanaka

Field Design: Takeshi Endo
Field Data: Hidetoshi Kezuka
Field Graphics: Kazuyuki Ikumori
Character Modeling: Hiroshi Arai - Tomohiro Kayano
Character Animation: Tatsuya Kando


Then you play a bit and the second intro movies starts:


Computer Graphics Movie: Hiroshi Kuwabara
Sound Effects: Eiki Nakamura
Management: SHinji Hashimoto
Executive Producers: Tomoyuki Takechi
Main Program by: Hiroshi Kawai
Directed by: Hiroyuki Itou


And of course: Conceived and Produced by Hironobu Sakaguchi.


I left out all the names of people who didn't take part in any games in the series prior to FF IX.

All those listed worked on at least one game before FF IX. So yeah, Dragonsoul is a spitter of bullshit, and have next to no idea what he's talking about.

Dragonsoul
04-16-2008, 05:02 AM
Final Fantasy IX was not originally meant to be part of the main Final Fantasy team and 4 of the main 7 designers are not part of the main Final Fantasy team. That's what I mean, those are facts, and my point was that I don't consider it to be the main Final Fantasy team. The bottom line/main point is that the people who worked on Final Fantasy VIII went on to make Final Fantasy X right after that but some of them also helped out in Final Fantasy IX although many people from Final Fantasy IX were not part of the main Final Fantasy team. All these are real facts, I'm not sure what your disagreements are but it's best not to worry about it. I think we just have different opinions as to what qualifies as a main Final Fantasy game/team based on who worked on what games. We can focus on the main topic at hand. I'll paste my reply from forums.eyesonff.com here. :)


The long wait probably has something to do with the fact that they're making 2 FF games simultaneously (FF XIII + Versus)

Well kind of. You mean that part of the Final Fantasy XIII team is doing stuff with Final Fantasy Versus XIII I think. I checked into the resumes of the people working on Final Fantasy XIII. They are working on a lot of simultaneous projects alongside Final Fantasy XIII. Here's the specifics of what the main Final Fantasy team(FF X, FF X-2, FF XIII) have done or are working on since Final Fantasy X-2

Final Fantasy XIII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_fantasy_xiii)
Final Fantasy XIII team:
Producer - Yoshinori Kitase(Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, FF VII: PS 3 Technical Demo, FF VII: Dirge of Cerberus, FF VII: Crisis Core, Kingdom Hearts 2)
Director - Motomu Toriyama(FF VII: PS 3 Technical Demo, FF XII: Revenant Wings, FF: Crystal Chronicles: My Life As A King, The 3rd Birthday)
Scenario Writer - Kazushige Nojima(FF VII: Before Crisis, Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, FF VII: Advent Children, Kingdom Hearts 2, FF VII: Crisis Core, Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Character Designer - Tetsuya Nomura(FF VII: PS 3 Technical Demo, FF VII: Before Crisis, Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, Musashi: Samurai Legend, FF VII: Last Order, FF VII: Advent Children, Kingdom Hearts 2, FF V Advance, FF VII: Dirge of Cerberus, FF VII: Dirge of Cerberus: Lost Episode, FF VII: Crisis Core, The World Ends With You, FF Agito XIII, FF Versus XIII, Monotone, Dissidia: Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep, Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days, Kingdom Hearts: Coded, The 3rd Birthday
Composer - Masashi Hamauzu(Musashi: Samurai Legend, FF VII: Dirge of Cerberus, Sigma Harmonics)
Art Director - Isamu Kamikokuryō(Final Fantasy XII, Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings)
Battle Director - Toshiro Tsuchida(Front Mission 5, Front Mission Online, Final Fantasy XI Expansions, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles: My Life As A King)

Look at all those simultaneous projects that everybody has been working on! Here are the reasons that I think are causing Final Fantasy XIII to take so long to come out...

1. Hardware Jump from PS 2 to PS 3
2. Work started on the Playstation 2 but then was basically restarted for PS 3
3. Everybody's working on many simultaneous projects

I just want the game already! Roogle if you check the development time in months for each games they don't get longer each time but they alternate between getting longer and shorter. Here they are in order: ?, 12, 16, 15, 17, 16, 31, 25, 29, 20, 61 so far.

61 months already!! Just looking at that number gives me a bad feeling, I wish the game would come out already. Final Fantasy XII took a long time also. I kinda want to see Square Enix go back to their earlier days of working on less projects and just rolling out the FF games every couple years. FF X came out in 2001! FF X-2 was out in 2003(sequel to FF X though)! We had FF XI in 2002(Japan) and FF XII in 2006 but I'm looking at the time since Final Fantasy X. Final Fantasy X was out in 2001 and Final Fantasy XIII will be out 7 or 8 years later! Enough with all these extra projects Square Enix is working on if those projects are going to delay development of the main FF team's games! Maybe they should seperate the teams more? Anyways, maybe it would have helped if Final Fantasy XIII wasn't announced at E3 2006, then we wouldn't have to wait 2.5 or 3.5 years for it to come out.

Anyways, it's taking so long, maybe it'll turn out to be a legendary game, just like when The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time came out after a 5 year development cycle?

What does everybody think of those reasons I listed for the possible delay of FF XIII? :)

Hynad
04-16-2008, 12:46 PM
Final Fantasy IX was not originally meant to be part of the main Final Fantasy team and 4 of the main 7 designers are not part of the main Final Fantasy team. That's what I mean, those are facts, and my point was that I don't consider it to be the main Final Fantasy team.

FF IX was always going to be a "main" entry in the series. THAT is a fact. What you say is completely false.


The bottom line/main point is that the people who worked on Final Fantasy VIII went on to make Final Fantasy X right after that but some of them also helped out in Final Fantasy IX although many people from Final Fantasy IX were not part of the main Final Fantasy team. All these are real facts, I'm not sure what your disagreements are but it's best not to worry about it. I think we just have different opinions as to what qualifies as a main Final Fantasy game/team based on who worked on what games. We can focus on the main topic at hand. I'll paste my reply from forums.eyesonff.com here. :)

If you didn't got what I meant in my prior post, I can post a more detailed version that will specify what games in the series each of these people worked on. You'd see that there is not really what you can call a "real" or "main" team, as it has always been changing from one title to the other.

As for the reason some people who worked on both FFVII and FFVIII weren't present, you should already understand that they had to start working on FF X earlier, side-by-side with FF IX, because they had to familiarise themselve with the new hardware that was the PS2 and they wanted to release the game as early in the PS2 life cycle as possible.



Now please, don't spread shit like "FF IX wasn't supposed to be in the main series" or any crap like "main/real" FF team.

Apart from Kitase, all the big guns were part of FF IX.

Just to make sure you get that right, Nomura is NOT a big gun.


Thank you.

ROKI
04-16-2008, 01:11 PM
FF IX was always going to be a "main" entry in the series. THAT is a fact. What you say is completely false.


From my personal knowledge I know that FF IX was an untitled project for the PS1 that was supposed to go back to the roots of the first Final Fantasy games (I know, duh).
But there was a concern if the game should have a numbered title, because new players could be confused because of the different style of the game (compared to VII and VIII). At the end it was decided that it would be released as a numbered title.


Hashimoto: Whether it will be called Final Fantasy 9 or not is not yet decided. At Squaresoft, we are always looking to come up with cutting edge storylines and systems. Whether that new storyline will be called FF9 has not been decided.

Source: http://rca.vnm.zhdk.ch/mirrors/thegia/sites/www.thegia.com/news/n990524a.html

Hynad
04-16-2008, 01:22 PM
Yet, in an interview available on IGN:

Question: What is your favorite Final Fantasy title? And please tell us why you chose that particular game.

Sakaguchi: The upcoming Final Fantasy IX. This title (currently under development) is based on a reflection of all the previous works in the series. The coming installment is my "favorite," it's closest to my ideal view of what Final Fantasy should be. But, I've set my standards too high, so I think there's room for more Final Fantasy titles to come.


EDIT: And here in an other interview with Hironobu Sakaguchi and Shinji Hashimoto, which is from PSM, and the answer is what I've always known:

PSM: What was the main reason for taking the series back to a pure fantasy style?

Answer: This is the last of the Final Fantasies with a single digit, and we wanted to go back to the original idea. Both FFVII and FFVIII take place on cyberworlds/universes, so we wanted to create some kind of medieval universe using the technologies applied in FFVII and FFVIII.




From my personal knowledge I know that FF IX was an untitled project for the PS1 that was supposed to go back to the roots of the first Final Fantasy games (I know, duh).
But there was a concern if the game should have a numbered title, because new players could be confused because of the different style of the game (compared to VII and VIII). At the end it was decided that it would be released as a numbered title.

Hashimoto: Whether it will be called Final Fantasy 9 or not is not yet decided. At Squaresoft, we are always looking to come up with cutting edge storylines and systems. Whether that new storyline will be called FF9 has not been decided.

You're putting words into his mouth and adapting his answer. There is no mention about the style of the game being the reason why Hashimoto gave this answer. For all we know, they might have had the script of a game, and they didn't know yet if that was going to be a FF story or not.









Also of note:

PSM: This game seems different from the rest of the series in that there doesn't appear to be one main character, like Cloud or Squall. Could you talk a little about this unique "ensemble" approach?

Answer: This approach has been seen in FFVI, where there was not a single "main" character. For FFVII and VIII, the story was actually created after the main characters (Cloud, Squall) were created by Tetsuya Nomura. On the other hand, the story became the base for FFIX, with other elements (including characters) falling into place as the story developed.


Funny how the 2 games in which Nomura had a big role are the 2 most flawed games in the entire series, and then, the next game where he didn't take any part in, they managed to make the series' masterpiece.


Also, Dragonsoul, do you need attention all that much?

---------------> http://forums.eyesonff.com/archive/t-116493.html

You mention that the reason why it takes so much time might be because they work on multiple games at the same time... But you say it yourself, they have more than one team to make their games (even moreso since the Square-Enix fusion) and you should realise that they created their own tools and engine to harness the potential of the PS3. Which made the whole process longer.

As far as time goes, FFXII still holds the cup for the game in the series that took the longest time to develop.
You confuse the time between each releases and the actual time of production. FF XII was already in production (even if not in a deep phase) while they were developing FF XI.

FF Versus XIII hasn't progressed as fast as FF XIII because as Nomura mentioned in an interview, he was (at some point) waiting for an updated version of the White Engine (now called the Crystal Tools) to start working on the graphics of Versus XIII. FF XIII was already deep into production by the time of the interview.

ROKI
04-16-2008, 04:14 PM
You're putting words into his mouth and adapting his answer. There is no mention about the style of the game being the reason why Hashimoto gave this answer. For all we know, they might have had the script of a game, and they didn't know yet if that was going to be a FF story or not.


Mea culpa then. But mind you, I'am not supporting his opinion, but just wanted to share that piece of information I considered correct. But you are right, Hashimoto's answer could be limited to the script rather than the whole game.

Dragonsoul
04-17-2008, 03:17 AM
Thanks for your posts! :) But please remain civil in the posts. We can post thoughts, ideas, and comments here in a positive and constructive fashion. If there is a disagreement on something, we should remain positive about it. There's no need to act anything other than respectful.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23726.html
That is the Gametrailers.com Final Fantasy Retrospective, part vi, which talks about FF VIII and FF IX. It says that FF IX was originally not means to be part of the main FF series but was later decided to put as part of the main FF numbered series. It was made by a partially different team than the FF VIII and the FF X team.

I got information from Wikipedia, Gamefaqs, and other sources. Please post some resumes if you want, and I can look at them. Yes, FF IX and FF X were developed simultaneously. There is a main Final Fantasy team, which gradually changes over time. What I consider to be a "big gun" or part of the main FF team is the main 7 game designers: Producer, Director, Game/Battle Designer, Scenario Writer, Character Designer, Art Director, and Composer.

I see interview quotes you posted which refer to Final Fantasy IX being referred to as part of the main FF series, but this game was originally not decided as being part of the main FF numbered series, but they later decided to put it as part of the main FF series. Shinji Hashimoto: "Whether it will be called Final Fantasy 9 or not is not yet decided. At Squaresoft, we are always looking to come up with cutting edge storylines and systems. Whether that new storyline will be called FF9 has not been decided." There's no need to show me the designers referring to the game as Final Fantasy IX, I already know the games title and that it was included as part of the main numbered series. My point was that it was originally not meant to be part of the main numbered FF series and was developed by a partially different team than the main FF team. Whether or not FF VII and FF VIII are flawed or not varies between people. There are always people who love and hate certain FF games. I consider the games very high quality and if there are criticisms of Tetsuya Nomura, it should be for the Character Design work, not for the result of the work that is the responsibility of Producer, Director, and Game/Battle Designer, those are not Tetsuya Nomura's responsibility.

Yes I agree with you one many points. There are many development teams in Square Enix, but there is also some overlap in the teams. I'm not sure how much work it's taking to make the Crystal Tools/White Engine but I believe it's taking more work for that game engine than for the ones for FF X and FF X-2 and the ones for FF VII/VIII/IX.

FF XII took many years to developed and was developed alongside other games such as FF XI, FF X-2, and FF XIII. FF XII doesn't have many of the same people working on it as the other FF games. Yes there is overlap in game productions but when I am listing game development cycles I am referring to the games developed by the main FF team. I am not using FF XII and FF XI as part of this discussion. FF Versus XIII I am not really mentioning right now.

I hope that we can come to some agreements in this topic. I also hope that in your future posts to me you post in a positive constructive fashion as I have shown to you.

I'll summarize my main points...

1. Final Fantasy IX was not originally meant to be part of the main numbered FF series...
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23726.html
That's one source but there are others also. Please don't take offense to this.

2. Final Fantasy IX was developed by a partially different team from the FF VIII and FF X games, which are from the main FF team...

Producer: FF VIII(Shinji Hashimoto) FF IX(Shinji Hashimoto) FF X(Yoshinori Kitase)
Director: FF VIII(Yoshinori Kitase) FF IX(Hiroyuki Ito) FF X(Motomu Toriyama)
Game/Battle Design: FF VIII(Hiroyuki Ito) FF IX(Hiroyuki Ito) FF X(Toshiro Tsuchida)
Scenario Writer: FF VIII(Kazushige Nojima) FF IX(Kazuhiko Aoki) FF X(Kazushige Nojima)
Character Designer: FF VIII(Tetsuya Nomura) FF IX(Toshiyuki Itahana) FF X(Tetsuya Nomura)
Art Director: FF VIII(Yusuke Naora) FF IX(Hideo Minaba) FF X(Yusuke Naora)
Composer: FF VIII(Nobuo Uematsu) FF IX((Nobuo Uematsu) FF X(Nobuo Uematsu)

The differences in development team from FF VIII to FF X:
Composer, Art Director, Character Designer, and Scenario Writer were the same. FF VIII Director Yoshinori Kitase moved up to Producer for FF X replace Shinji Hashimoto, and Motomu Toriyama was put in as the FF X director. Hiroyuki Ito did Game/Battle Design for FF VIII but not for FF X, that was Toshiro Tsuchida from the Front Mission serires.

The differences in development team from FF VIII to FF IX:
It has the same Composer, Producer, and Game/Battle Designer. It had a new Art Director and Scenario Writer, who had some experience in Final Fantasy games. It had a new Character Designer who had no experience in Final Fantasy games. FF VIII's director Yoshinori Kitase did not work on FF IX, instead the director was Hiroyuki Ito, who also did Game/Battle Design for FF IX/VIII and earlier FF's.

I've listed the differences in the development teams. We differ on whether or not these differences agree or disagree with my point about this though. That's alright if you and I have a disagreement but I've listed some facts and my thoughts about them, which differ from yours. I show some information also about my other point, which I've supported with a source.

Please feel free to respond back but please post in a positive constructive fashion where we can discuss our differences in a respectful fashion. :)

Hynad
04-17-2008, 01:29 PM
All you keep doing is saying the team that made FFIX isn't the same as the one that made FFVII and VIII.... DO you actually know any teams prior to the one that worked on FFVII?


And your sources are extremely laughable. You point at a gametrailer fan movie as a source to support your claim about FF IX.

I give you actual interview with the DEVELOPERS, and you still try to refute it?

You're lost in self delusion. Now sorry if I can't stay civil, but please shut the fuck off.

Prak
04-17-2008, 01:34 PM
If you want a bit of comedy, Dragonsoul reported a couple of my posts and asked that I be "banned permanently for life" from the shrine. :laugh:

Hynad
04-17-2008, 01:44 PM
I just wake up to see he responded to my post with the same shit he's trying to spread everywhere on the net.

The guy must want me to post the actual roster of every "FF teams" from the first game to the last.


And he clearly didn't get a word of what I said when I posted this:



Hashimoto: Whether it will be called Final Fantasy 9 or not is not yet decided. At Squaresoft, we are always looking to come up with cutting edge storylines and systems. Whether that new storyline will be called FF9 has not been decided.

You're putting words into his mouth and adapting his answer. There is no mention about the style of the game being the reason why Hashimoto gave this answer. For all we know, they might have had the script of a game, and they didn't know yet if that was going to be a FF story or not.


Now if the guy that did the GameTrailer have the same source as him, then no wonder they spread the same shit. If he'd provide any inside source, then that would be something to actually consider. But he's posting this shit and try to pretend he's got facts that I don't...

There's a huge difference between saying the game "was not necessarily going to be Final Fantasy IX" and "it was NOT intended to be Final Fantasy IX".

execrable gumwrapper
04-17-2008, 08:03 PM
If you want a bit of comedy, Dragonsoul reported a couple of my posts and asked that I be "banned permanently for life" from the shrine. :laugh:

I agree with Dragonsoul. You're out of control Prak. Making logical statements and backing them with facts, the fuck is up with that?

Dragonsoul
04-19-2008, 09:15 AM
Alright, I think we can move to another topic. We have a disagreement on the issue but I don't think we should worry about it anymore. Sorry for the reaction to my post, it's not what I intended, I'll respect your comments/posts. :)

Let's get back to talking about The Last Remnant. Hynad, Prak, Noskillbassist, do you think it's likely that in the PS 3 release of it, we'll get a playable demo of Final Fantasy XIII?

Also, how much interest does everyone have in The Last Remnant? I think it's looking pretty good and I would love to play this game. Roki, what about you? :)

FainaruFantaji
04-21-2008, 04:40 PM
Whether the demo is coming or not I simply don`t care, it`s not that there isn`t anything else to play.

thej.master
04-22-2008, 04:13 PM
It would make sense if a demo did come out on LR, after all wasn't there a demo of FFXII on Dragon Quest VIII?

Prak
04-22-2008, 04:27 PM
You guys are neglecting the fact that LR is a multi-platform release. To put a demo on one version would be counter-productive, as part of the reason for it being a multiplat is to test the water for future releases on 360. They need a level playing field to get accurate results. Therefore, it is almost 100% certain (barring an act of monumental stupidity) that such a demo will not appear.

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