Purrr
03-26-2010, 12:40 AM
Not much information has been leaked about this title, but it is confirmed that it's an MMORPG and is looking awesome :)

Does anyone know if this is a PS3 exclusive? And also what are your thoughts on the new FF?

DarkFang94
03-26-2010, 12:41 AM
From what I've read this is only going to be available on PlayStation 3 and Windows.

Darth Revan
03-26-2010, 02:02 AM
From what I've read this is only going to be available on PlayStation 3 and Windows.

I doubt that. Remember, Final Fantasy XI Online was released on the PC and PS2, then the PC version was ported to the Xbox 360. IMO, SE would be foolish not to port it to the Xbox 360, as they wouldn't be receiving as much monthly fees etc.

People still play FFXIO on PC, PS2 and Xbox 360... consider the average player pays about 15$AUSD (Includes monthly subscription fee (with first character charge included) plus two extra characters (for storage or such) at a cost of 1$AUSD ea), and with roughly 4000 players per server/world, that's a income to SE of $60,000 AUSD a month. Multiple that by a year and it's a significant amount. Most players I know have more than 2-3 characters (I myself have three Main characters I level, with eight other characters for storage. I pay roughly 40$AUSD a month (due to that being in PAL territories AKA Australia, I have to pay via Euros which is about 40$AUSD a month. From what I've been told, it equates to about 20-25$USD though I'm not sure on the conversion rate.), though I am clearing out my other characters and deleting them), some even have multiple accounts.

Considering how much money any MMORPG brings in to their parent company, it wouldn't financially be a wise move for SE to say "FFXIV is going to be only for PC and PS3". More likely FFXIV will be released on PC and PS3 first (due to how Sony keeps bragging all the time about the PS3 etc), and a few months later the PC version will be ported to the Xbox 360 (That's my opinion though, nothing official.).

FFXIV, from what I've seen so far, seems like FFXIO Lite to me. Same character races and models, even some of the backgrounds shown look recycled from FFXIO. Would've been nice for there to be newer character races or in lieu of that, different facial models etc... but so far, just recycled from FFXIO.

Add in that SE's has said that players of FFXIO can carry over their Friend List from FFXIO to FFXIV, yet NOT their characters is another wrinkle I don't like. I've been playing FFXIO since December 2006, and I've spent a lot of money (Monthly Fees, Expansion Packs) and time building my character and having to abandon her (Yes, I play as a female character for the following reason: Playing a game like this for a long period of time I want to look at something nice, as the camera is set third person style behind my character, instead of something which isn't.).

I don't think SE would close FFXIO in favor of FFXIV either. Look at EverQuest and EverQuest 2. Both games are old now, yet are still running concurrently, so there's no reason for SE to not keep both running. There's still plenty of areas in FFXIO to explore, so the possibility of both games still running together is plausible.

There was a recent world merge in FFXIO, my world 'Midgardsormr' was assimilated to the world 'Quetzecotl', and the average population count there is 4k+. Two of my friends in FFXIO, have been accepted as Beta testers for FFXIV, so I'll find out from them what it's like when they've played it.

Until more information about FFXIV is made available, I'm going to stick with FFXIO, most probably until the servers are shut down. Will I go to FFXIV? Honestly, probably not. Losing my character and everything I've done in FFXIO will leave me feeling upset (To say the least) at SE, and as there are other MMORPG's out there, I may leave SE's MMORPG's behind.

Star Wars: The Old Republic is one I'm giving serious thought to jumping over to.

Scryer
03-26-2010, 02:44 AM
I think that it would be really nice if Final Fantasy XIV (of all series) could get the gaming effect that Vanguard and Darkfall were going for. That is, having player made cities and ships (in this case, controllable airships as well).

That's just me though... Personally (and I hate to be negative about a game that I haven't honestly tried yet) I'm not too excited about FFXIV. I never got FFXI because I thought that Everquest 2 was better; and it was better for my style of playing (not sure what that really say's about me =P ). And I've never been a fan of paying a monthly for a game to begin with.

topopoz
03-26-2010, 02:57 AM
Star Wars: The Old Republic is one I'm giving serious thought to jumping over to.

The trailer Looked FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Purrr
03-26-2010, 04:28 AM
Death's Head: $40 per month for FFXI? That's nuts! I'll stick to my $20 per month for 10 characters in WoW.

doomjockey
03-26-2010, 06:30 AM
SE stated they want the game on 360 as well, but there are difficulties stemming from XBL

That's as far as I know the only reason it's not launching on the console

I don't think 360 is very MMO friendly. Makes you wonder how they got FFXI to work

Enkidoh
03-26-2010, 07:24 AM
FFXI was already available on PC, so it was just a straight port (the 360 has a custom version of Windows under the hood after all). Originally SE wanted to release FFXI on the original Xbox, but that never eventuated due to concerns about storage capabilities and it ended up on the 360 instead.

As for the high cost for FFXI subscriptions, although you have to pay for each individual character you have on your FFXI account (to a maximum 16), this isn't too much of an issue as because of the Job system, you can change your character's job to any other one at will, so there is less of a need to creates alts (other than for mules), unlike WoW where you are stuck with your starting class for the entire game and have to create a new character if you want to play as something else, hence the 'create as many characters you want for the one fee' set-up. Horses for courses basically.

Sure you also have different races in FFXI, but the differences with them stat wise are pretty insignificant (and readily countered with equipment anyway) so it only comes down to which race you like the look of the best.

Darth Revan
03-26-2010, 07:34 AM
Death's Head: $40 per month for FFXI? That's nuts! I'll stick to my $20 per month for 10 characters in WoW.

I blame the damn conversion rate of the Australian dollar to Euro. In Australia, to play FFXI on the Xbox 360 you have to pay via Euro's. On the PC you can select either Euro or American Dollars. If I could've selected to pay in US Dollars instead, I'd be paying about 20-25$AUSD a month, depending on the monthly conversion rate that is.


SE stated they want the game on 360 as well, but there are difficulties stemming from XBL

That's as far as I know the only reason it's not launching on the console

I don't think 360 is very MMO friendly. Makes you wonder how they got FFXI to work

As Enkidoh stated above, and as I stated in my first post:


Remember, Final Fantasy XI Online was released on the PC and PS2, then the PC version was ported to the Xbox 360.

The Xbox 360 version of FFXIO is a port of the PC version, so it wasn't that hard to port over as the reasons Enkidoh stated. FFXIV will undoubtedly be ported over to the Xbox 360, via the PC version. It'll just take some time to do the coding etc.

Purrr
03-26-2010, 08:19 AM
Btw, I am also in Australia ^^

Enkidoh
03-26-2010, 11:49 AM
Actually, the currency you pay for the fees is determined by the region of version you have - Japanese Yen for the Japanese version (and I still know a few people who still play the imported JP version that they first got at the very start of FFXI's service), US dollars for the US version, British Pounds for the UK version, and Euro dollars for everyone else.

Although I have the European PC version, I pay my fees in US dollars rather than Euros because when I first started playing FFXI (January 2005), it was the only currency you could pay in. I've just stuck with it though because I get a better exchange rate for Australian dollars with the US dollar than the Euro.

I expect the same thing will occur for FFXIV's fee structure when it's eventually released.

Darth Revan
03-26-2010, 02:14 PM
That's why I said:


In Australia, to play FFXI on the Xbox 360 you have to pay via Euro's.

lol

chewey
03-26-2010, 02:34 PM
Why would you want to play an MMO on a console?

doomjockey
03-26-2010, 04:34 PM
i know the release order and I'm not sure how that answers the question. the question was about why XBL (seemingly) wasn't a problem then and why it is now holding up development.

In general, it feels like no one wants to tackle console MMOs though. Can't help but think of that brief period where console MMOs were announced right and left... (AoC, LotR, APB, CO). the hell are they now? [Actually CO was recently cancelled (http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=7582) for 360]

the only two I'm sure will come out at all are FFXIV and Sony's DCU. feels like unless it was built from the ground up to play on a console, it won't jump

more on topic... yeah FFXIV looks pretty nice. i signed up for the beta. hope it's less grindy, but asking that of an MMO feels like asking a cup to be less cuppy

Purrr
03-26-2010, 11:30 PM
Sacred 2 was kind of an MMO that made it onto the 360 console also. I am yet to play it though.

Darth Revan
03-27-2010, 12:26 AM
Sacred 2 was kind of an MMO that made it onto the 360 console also. I am yet to play it though.

Sacred 2 wasn't a MMO... On the Xbox 360, you could play multiplayer, but that was limited to a set amount of people, and only over Xbox Live (Not sure about the PC versio). It's a Diablo clone. Not a bad game, Blind Guardian does the intro song 'Sacred' which is pretty good imo, but unless you have a kickass HDTV, better to play it on PC.

Kayfabe
03-27-2010, 12:33 AM
I doubt that. Remember, Final Fantasy XI Online was released on the PC and PS2, then the PC version was ported to the Xbox 360. IMO, SE would be foolish not to port it to the Xbox 360, as they wouldn't be receiving as much monthly fees etc.

People still play FFXIO on PC, PS2 and Xbox 360... consider the average player pays about 15$AUSD (Includes monthly subscription fee (with first character charge included) plus two extra characters (for storage or such) at a cost of 1$AUSD ea), and with roughly 4000 players per server/world, that's a income to SE of $60,000 AUSD a month. Multiple that by a year and it's a significant amount. Most players I know have more than 2-3 characters (I myself have three Main characters I level, with eight other characters for storage. I pay roughly 40$AUSD a month (due to that being in PAL territories AKA Australia, I have to pay via Euros which is about 40$AUSD a month. From what I've been told, it equates to about 20-25$USD though I'm not sure on the conversion rate.), though I am clearing out my other characters and deleting them), some even have multiple accounts.

Considering how much money any MMORPG brings in to their parent company, it wouldn't financially be a wise move for SE to say "FFXIV is going to be only for PC and PS3". More likely FFXIV will be released on PC and PS3 first (due to how Sony keeps bragging all the time about the PS3 etc), and a few months later the PC version will be ported to the Xbox 360 (That's my opinion though, nothing official.).

FFXIV, from what I've seen so far, seems like FFXIO Lite to me. Same character races and models, even some of the backgrounds shown look recycled from FFXIO. Would've been nice for there to be newer character races or in lieu of that, different facial models etc... but so far, just recycled from FFXIO.

Add in that SE's has said that players of FFXIO can carry over their Friend List from FFXIO to FFXIV, yet NOT their characters is another wrinkle I don't like. I've been playing FFXIO since December 2006, and I've spent a lot of money (Monthly Fees, Expansion Packs) and time building my character and having to abandon her (Yes, I play as a female character for the following reason: Playing a game like this for a long period of time I want to look at something nice, as the camera is set third person style behind my character, instead of something which isn't.).

I don't think SE would close FFXIO in favor of FFXIV either. Look at EverQuest and EverQuest 2. Both games are old now, yet are still running concurrently, so there's no reason for SE to not keep both running. There's still plenty of areas in FFXIO to explore, so the possibility of both games still running together is plausible.

There was a recent world merge in FFXIO, my world 'Midgardsormr' was assimilated to the world 'Quetzecotl', and the average population count there is 4k+. Two of my friends in FFXIO, have been accepted as Beta testers for FFXIV, so I'll find out from them what it's like when they've played it.

Until more information about FFXIV is made available, I'm going to stick with FFXIO, most probably until the servers are shut down. Will I go to FFXIV? Honestly, probably not. Losing my character and everything I've done in FFXIO will leave me feeling upset (To say the least) at SE, and as there are other MMORPG's out there, I may leave SE's MMORPG's behind.

Star Wars: The Old Republic is one I'm giving serious thought to jumping over to.

Why did you have to be so wordy about it? A simple "They'll make more money, and they're not that anti-xbox after all considering 11 made it to that system" would have sufficed. Your reasons why are simple common sense.

EDIT: To contribute to the thread, if it was in Ivalice and the races were hume, bangaa, moogle, viera, nu mou and whatnot i'd be all over that shit. otherwise, not interested.

Darth Revan
03-27-2010, 12:35 AM
Why did you have to be so wordy about it? A simple "They'll make more money, and they're not that anti-xbox after all considering 11 made it to that system" would have sufficed. Your reasons why are simple common sense.

Stated my reasons as to why I thought so. Nothing wrong with that.

... and not many people subscribe to using their common sense nowadays.

chewey
03-27-2010, 04:43 AM
Square-Enix initially wanted it on 360, but because of some problems with the XBL subscription service (S-E wants people to be able to play on a Silver account - Microsoft don't) it hasn't been confirmed yet. If Microsoft ever stop being greedy, the game will be ported.

chewey
04-08-2010, 03:42 PM
Double post, welp.

The Alpha has just started, apparently.

Gallery of images can be found here:
http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/88c9bf56b907f673e9367470431a0bc9

Pack of images:
Edit: An updated pack was posted. http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/Si/so/69834 (password is ff14, I think)

OST (apparently):
http://rapidshare.com/files/373104918/Music.rar

Pulled from /v/. I haven't looked at them yet but I imagine somebody is keen to see pictures of the game.


Darth Revan
04-08-2010, 03:52 PM
Meh. Graphically it looks nice... but that's about it. From what I've read about it, the mechanics are just FFXI's again... except with equipment. That's borrowed straight from FFXII. Buy some shiny new armor, equip it on your character... no chance. Your character will still look the same.

Lately, SE has impressed me with their games and this is shaping up to be just more of the same.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

jakob
04-08-2010, 03:57 PM
Those are some great pictures, Chewey. Thanks. I already like the layout and world much more than ffxi from those few glimpses.

Also, the music from the alpha version (by Nobuo Uematsu) is available here for anyone that's interested:

Thread 75435


I've listened to less than half of it, and it seems to be better than the ffxi soundtrack (which I felt was atrocious) , but doesn't seem to be on par with the other Uematsu FF OSTs.

chewey
04-08-2010, 04:03 PM
From what I've read about it, the mechanics are just FFXI's again... except with equipment.
It doesn't sound much like FFXI to me. It has a job system and you change jobs by equipping different things, but the mechanics beyond that seem pretty different from what was in FFXI. Either way, job systems are great so I don't really mind either way.


Buy some shiny new armor, equip it on your character... no chance. Your character will still look the same.
I don't know if this is true.

Another picture, just cos



Also, the music from the alpha version (by Nobuo Uematsu) is available here for anyone that's interested:

Thread 75435
Woops, somebody beat me to it.

Darth Revan
04-08-2010, 04:12 PM
Truth be told... I am biased against FFXIV. That bias comes from all the time and money (monthly fees) I've spent on my character in FFXI. I can't justify abandoning that character, to start fresh in another FF MMORPG.

Will I play FFXIV? Probably not. I'm not 100% sure of that, but as there's another MMORPG coming out soon I want to play (100% sure of that), I won't be able to afford more than two MMORPG's subscription fees.

Besides, I honestly feel that there is still more which can be added to FFXI via expansion packs. At least three more continents are referred to, as well as the rest of Aht Urghan, so there is still life in FFXI yet. Also consider that EverQuest and it's sequel, EverQuest 2 are still running concurrently as well, I doubt SE will pull the plug on FFXI anytime soon.

chewey
04-08-2010, 04:20 PM
I doubt SE will pull the plug on FFXI anytime soon.
They recently announced some more content for FFXI.


In February 2010, Square Enix announced a new series of add-on scenarios to be released in the second half of 2010:

* Vision of Abyssea (Release date: Summer 2010).
* Scars of Abyssea (Release date: Second half of 2010).
* Heroes of Abyssea (Release date: Second half of 2010).

Darth Revan
04-08-2010, 04:25 PM
Yeah, as well as the following:

* Odin and Alexander confirmed as new avatars.
* The CoP level cap will be removed.
* Significant overhaul of all jobs in the next year.
* Worlds are being merged (from 32 servers to 24).
* AF3 in a new, Dynamis/Limbus area called Abyssea.
* Three new add-ons announced.
* New, epic fights (enemies bigger than buildings in cities).


The level cap will increase from 75 to 99.

The world merge was done last month... on the server I'm on, the population is over 5000 on any given day, when compared to 2000.

topopoz
04-08-2010, 05:21 PM
Looks pretty appealing to me, artistically, but I have to see the gameplay.

TM
04-08-2010, 06:28 PM
This looks interesting but I absoloutely detest monthly fees if I'm gonna spend like ´┐Ż40 on this game just to own it then why should I have to pay more afterwards just the play the damn thing?

and I lol'd at the Xbox live stuff you posted Chewey, what greedy bastards.

doomjockey
04-08-2010, 08:33 PM
so since everyone's talking about fees I assume a subscription model has been confirmed?

chewey
04-09-2010, 11:51 AM
Updated the image pack (http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/Si/so/69834).


so since everyone's talking about fees I assume a subscription model has been confirmed?
Not sure if it has been confirmed or not but I don't think they'd go with the b2p model. Most likely going to pay to play.

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7398/1270806663928.gif

Edit: Some translated articles on the Alpha
http://ffxiv.zam.com/story.html?story=22042
http://ffxiv.zam.com/story.html?story=22055

Information on jobs
http://www.cairxiv.net/jobs/

Chocobos look hilarious

Enkidoh
04-09-2010, 12:52 PM
To be honest, those graphics don't look too much better than FFXI - in fact, the character outfits seem drab and dull, and the teentaru (or lolfail, or whatever the hell they're called in this game) just look stupid (at least in FFXI they were cute, if not comical). Sure, the character textures are more detailed, but that seems to be at a cost of colour and variety in design.

I know FFXIV is still in it's early beta stage, but if this is what the final game is going to look like, I'm not really impressed (at least, not enough to go out and sign up for the game upon full service commencement).

chewey
04-09-2010, 01:13 PM
It's not what it's going to look like at release of even Beta. There aren't a lot of graphical options available in Alpha, and shadows are pretty much non-existent. It also looks better in motion.

From what I've seen, the armor/costumes/whatever look pretty great. The starter rags are pretty much all you can see in most of these screenshots, but the armor you pick up later looks good.

Still, what's seen in these screenshots looks a lot better than FFXI, imo.

doomjockey
04-09-2010, 05:59 PM
To be honest, those graphics don't look too much better than FFXI

yeah, those shots look bland as heck. Seen the game looking much, much better:


Darth Revan
04-09-2010, 06:35 PM
Still, what's seen in these screenshots looks a lot better than FFXI, imo.

Not to me. These screenshots don't impress me at all, and not to make me quit FFXI either. You have your opinion and I respect that. My opinion, I don't like what I've seen/read about FFXIV, and I doubt I ever will.

chewey
04-09-2010, 07:48 PM
To be fair, not a lot is known about FF14 yet. I also don't think it's supposed to replace FF11.

Still, I like the idea of changing equipment to change your role in battle. I also like that you have an overall level unrelated to your jobs that allows you to invest points into stats (a feature I like a lot). It seems a lot more fluid than what was in FF11 while retaining the same level of complexity.

Darth Revan
04-10-2010, 12:48 AM
IIRC, FFXI was based off of the EverQuest game engine and apparently FFXIV is (supposedly) based off the World of Warcraft game engine, to make it 'easier' to play.

True FFXI did have a steep learning curve, but once learned, was rather easy to play. All this talk of FFXIV is reminding me of the same talk (on another forum that is) regarding Star Trek Online... and look how that's turned out.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see, when FFXIV comes out how things are received by the gaming public. Personally, I think that yes people will leave FFXI for a time... but will probably return after a few months.

Enkidoh
04-10-2010, 04:26 AM
Oh gawd, that screenshot is proof that Square Enix aren't even trying anymore. Those monsters are straight out of FFXI - they're Peistes found in the Wings of the Goddess areas. And for those who don't believe me, here's it's listing on FFXICylopedia complete with image: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Peiste

I don't mind staple FF monsters like malboros or tonberries reappearing from game to game, but when they just simply recycle old monster models from an earlier game, rather than designing new models, it comes across as laziness, especially for something that is supposed to be a 'wholly' new game (FFXI mandragora models appearing in FFXII springs to mind).

As for the graphics, okay, I admit, they are rather polished, but that screenshot is probably taken from a game running on a high-end machine, which would make even FFXI look jaw dropping. I don't like the new GUI though - the WoW inspiration is obvious, with everything being damn icon driven (gawd, how I hate icons everywhere). I much preferred FFXI's menu system, which although somewhat clunky was at least simple enough to understand.

But that's just my personal opinion.

chewey
04-10-2010, 04:51 AM
IIRC, FFXI was based off of the EverQuest game engine and apparently FFXIV is (supposedly) based off the World of Warcraft game engine, to make it 'easier' to play.
Do you mean their engines attempt to replicate EQ and WoW respectively, or do you mean the engines borrow code from the EQ and WoW engines? Both XI and XIV use engines developed by S-E. XIV is using crystal tools, the same engine used to make XIII and probably what will be used for their next few games.

Also, the mechanics of XIV are nothing like WoW.

However, it's very likely they'll try and reduce the learning curve of XIV. My biggest woes with XI though, were the cumbersome controls and awkward menu system. Eventually I just gave up on using a keyboard and used my 360 controller.


True FFXI did have a steep learning curve, but once learned, was rather easy to play. All this talk of FFXIV is reminding me of the same talk (on another forum that is) regarding Star Trek Online... and look how that's turned out.
How is FFXIV similar to Star Trek Online? I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and guess it has something to do with learning curves. If S-E makes FFXIV easier to play, I don't think this will really a problem.


As for the graphics, okay, I admit, they are rather polished, but that screenshot is probably taken from a game running on a high-end machine
That screenshot is still taken with all the options disabled. It looks like a bad 90s 3D render in some parts (especially the monsters). There are no shadows, the sky effects are turned off, the lighting appears to be static. These things and more are currently not in the Alpha, and will be added in around the second (open?) Beta.


Oh gawd, that screenshot is proof that Square Enix aren't even trying anymore. Those monsters are straight out of FFXI - they're Peistes found in the Wings of the Goddess areas. And for those who don't believe me, here's it's listing on FFXICylopedia complete with image: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Peiste

I don't mind staple FF monsters like malboros or tonberries reappearing from game to game, but when they just simply recycle old monster models from an earlier game, rather than designing new models, it comes across as laziness, especially for something that is supposed to be a 'wholly' new game (FFXI mandragora models appearing in FFXII springs to mind).
I think you're probably trying too hard to find a reason to hate this game.

doomjockey
04-10-2010, 06:54 AM
...yeah, I guess I'm done with the thread for now.

chewey
04-10-2010, 06:58 AM
http://www.justin.tv/shiner#r=YZpjVO8~

Stream of the game on repeat, apparently.

Darth Revan
04-10-2010, 09:01 AM
Do you mean their engines attempt to replicate EQ and WoW respectively, or do you mean the engines borrow code from the EQ and WoW engines? Both XI and XIV use engines developed by S-E. XIV is using crystal tools, the same engine used to make XIII and probably what will be used for their next few games.

What I meant by that, is that FFXI was designed to be party based like EverQuest. To get things done, need to be in a party. From what I've heard about FFXIV, it seems to be going the WoW path of soloing everything around you.


However, it's very likely they'll try and reduce the learning curve of XIV. My biggest woes with XI though, were the cumbersome controls and awkward menu system. Eventually I just gave up on using a keyboard and used my 360 controller.

Once you get the hang of the keyboard, it's rather easy to play FFXI with it. I play FFXI on 360 and use both keyboard and controller. The menu system didn't feel awkward to me, guess I've just grown up playing RPG's via menu systems too much and it's natural to me.


How is FFXIV similar to Star Trek Online? I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and guess it has something to do with learning curves. If S-E makes FFXIV easier to play, I don't think this will really a problem.

Two reasons. One, the learning curve which you pointed out above. Second, considering how ST Online hasn't been well received by the general gaming public, AFTER it was hyped up is initially similar to what's happening now with FFXIV. All the hype about it so far, while may be a good thing to promote interest, will FFXIV actually live up to it? I know quite a few players of FFXI who are hyped about it... but I also know an equal amount who aren't fussed at all about it and have blatantly stated they have no interest in FFXIV whatsoever.


That screenshot is still taken with all the options disabled. It looks like a bad 90s 3D render in some parts (especially the monsters). There are no shadows, the sky effects are turned off, the lighting appears to be static. These things and more are currently not in the Alpha, and will be added in around the second (open?) Beta.

Still would need a powerful PC to run it though. All the extras you mentioned, are nice to have I admit, aren't really necessary to enjoy/play the game though. You can play it without them I expect.


I think you're probably trying too hard to find a reason to hate this game.

No offense intended, but that can be referred to you as well FSITO, in that you're stating all these reasons to love it. That's your choice to do so, and I can't speak for anyone else, but for myself I'll wait until it's finished and read some non biased reviews about it BEFORE jumping on the FFXIV bandwagon, though I admit I doubt I will. Yes I'm a FFXI fan, but as I stated before, I've put too much time and money into my FFXI character, to just walk away and start fresh in another game.

chewey
04-10-2010, 11:02 AM
What I meant by that, is that FFXI was designed to be party based like EverQuest. To get things done, need to be in a party. From what I've heard about FFXIV, it seems to be going the WoW path of soloing everything around you.
I'm not sure how you've come to this conclusion. Partying seems to still be a pretty big emphasis here. Most gameplay videos I've seen show people working together. There's not enough information to say whether it has an emphasis on partying or not, though. The people I've seen working together may be doing it simply for fun, rather than out of necessity. Who knows!


Two reasons. One, the learning curve which you pointed out above. Second, considering how ST Online hasn't been well received by the general gaming public, AFTER it was hyped up is initially similar to what's happening now with FFXIV. All the hype about it so far, while may be a good thing to promote interest, will FFXIV actually live up to it? I know quite a few players of FFXI who are hyped about it... but I also know an equal amount who aren't fussed at all about it and have blatantly stated they have no interest in FFXIV whatsoever.
I've heard Star Trek online is just extremely easy all-round. Having an easy learning curve does not mean the game is simplified/easy/whatever. It just means it does a far better job at easing you into the game. Either way, I don't know for sure what the learning curve is going to be.

All MMOs ever are hyped. All of them are called WoW-killers. This isn't really an argument against FFXIV. It really just shows how silly people can be.


Still would need a powerful PC to run it though. All the extras you mentioned, are nice to have I admit, aren't really necessary to enjoy/play the game though. You can play it without them I expect.
I am not the one who has been saying, "Gosh, these graphics are similar to FFXI's! Why would I move to this!" All I'm saying is that there is a reason why it looks the way it does and that it won't look like that at release. I also doubt the game would need a powerful PC to run on minimum settings.

... Well I guess that depends on what you mean by powerful. It wouldn't need an expensive computer/graphics card to run.


No offense intended, but that can be referred to you as well FSITO, in that you're stating all these reasons to love it. That's your choice to do so, and I can't speak for anyone else, but for myself I'll wait until it's finished and read some non biased reviews about it BEFORE jumping on the FFXIV bandwagon, though I admit I doubt I will. Yes I'm a FFXI fan, but as I stated before, I've put too much time and money into my FFXI character, to just walk away and start fresh in another game.
I have very little interest in actually playing FFXIV. I've grown bored of the MMO genre and I've learnt from the past that getting hyped about games often leads to disappointment. All I'm doing is stating the facts about the game.

Also: Look at this manly dude.

Darth Revan
04-10-2010, 11:22 AM
I'm not sure how you've come to this conclusion. Partying seems to still be a pretty big emphasis here. Most gameplay videos I've seen show people working together. There's not enough information to say whether it has an emphasis on partying or not, though. The people I've seen working together may be doing it simply for fun, rather than out of necessity. Who knows!

It's well known within the FFXI community, that a lot of people (usually new players from WoW or weekend gamers), that being forced to be in a party of 6 to get anything done, don't like it at all. On a lot of FFXI forums, people have posted requests etc for FFXI to be more solo friendly, hence a lot of the recent additions to the game to make it easier now to level and that you're not 'forced' to look for a party/form a party to get exp. A lot of talk has it, that SE took that into advisement for FFXIV and decided to make it solo friendly, for those who don't like being in a group for exp or don't have much time to dedicate to playing. Which if so, I admit is a valid point.

Most gameplay videos shown of games early in development also do not always reflect what the end result may be. All we can really do is sit back and wait for the final product to be released.


I've heard Star Trek online is just extremely easy all-round. Having an easy learning curve does not mean the game is simplified/easy/whatever. It just means it does a far better job at easing you into the game. Either way, I don't know for sure what the learning curve is going to be.

I admit, the information I have about ST Online is through third parties (Friends, gaming stores, LAN's, etc), so I can't really base a accurate judgement on it, but from what I've heard the learning curve can be easy in some parts, hard as nails in others. A lot of ST fans I know have told me how much they hate it, as it seems to focus more on micromanagement and such, than any real gameplay. Of course, if you like that sort of thing, then you'll probably love it (Or a diehard Trekkie), but for the average gamer...


All MMOs ever are hyped. All of them are called WoW-killers. This isn't really an argument against FFXIV. It really just shows how silly people can be.

What I meant by that, is that not just for MMORPG's, but for all games in general, hype can make or break a game even before it's release. All this information of FFXIV you've shown (while in it's own way is nice) and judging from your posts, seems to be building to the hype that this will be a great game. If that's what you truly believe, then that's fine. We all have different views, and unfortunately mine are against yours.


I am not the one who has been saying, "Gosh, these graphics are similar to FFXI's! Why would I move to this!" All I'm saying is that there is a reason why it looks the way it does and that it won't look like that at release. I also doubt the game would need a powerful PC to run on minimum settings.

Exactly. The screenshots shown do not mean that is what the graphics themselves will look like. In game demos, before you even get to the title screen, there's usually a warning stating that they may be different in the finished version.

As far as I'm concerned though, graphics do not make a game. There are other contributing factors that have to be taken into account: Story/plot, character development (NPC's and Player character models etc), music, gameplay etc. To me, graphics are just the icing on the cake.


... Well I guess that depends on what you mean by powerful. It wouldn't need an expensive computer/graphics card to run.

True graphics cards aren't that expensive nowadays, but then there's also soundcards and other peripherals needed as well to get the maximum benefit.


I have very little interest in actually playing FFXIV. I've grown bored of the MMO genre and I've learnt from the past that getting hyped about games often leads to disappointment. All I'm doing is stating the facts about the game.

I've played numerous MMO's (yes, I've played WoW), and none of them have really grabbed me like FFXI has. Ask Enkidoh how long it took to convince me to play FFXI... years. Once I started it, there was something about it which got me hooked. I've been playing it since December 06 and I'll more than likely keep playing it, til the servers are shutdown.


Also: Look at this manly dude.


Meh... just a remade version of a Galka from FFXI. Never liked them in FFXI... don't like the look of them in FFXIV.

chewey
04-10-2010, 12:04 PM
It's well known within the FFXI community, that a lot of people (usually new players from WoW or weekend gamers), that being forced to be in a party of 6 to get anything done, don't like it at all. On a lot of FFXI forums, people have posted requests etc for FFXI to be more solo friendly, hence a lot of the recent additions to the game to make it easier now to level and that you're not 'forced' to look for a party/form a party to get exp. A lot of talk has it, that SE took that into advisement for FFXIV and decided to make it solo friendly, for those who don't like being in a group for exp or don't have much time to dedicate to playing. Which if so, I admit is a valid point.
I just googled for some FFXIV interviews to see what they plan to do with soloing stuff. I happened to find a very handy thread that's compiled all the interviews done for the game so far:
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=126463361431470493

Some highlights:


* XIV will be more balanced between team and solo play
* More solo playability
* Devs want to keep the large party play while adding soloability
* Partying will advance your character faster than solo play
* XIV will be solo based OR group based

Taken from a bunch of interviews done over a few months. So basically the emphasis on teamwork is still there, they're just making solo-play viable. Now that I think about it, they said something similar at their expo recently. This is a good thing, in my opinion.


Most gameplay videos shown of games early in development also do not always reflect what the end result may be. All we can really do is sit back and wait for the final product to be released.
Correct. I'm not the one who has been attacking the game though. I've only been stating what is happening in the Alpha and their plans (in terms of graphics) for the Beta and final release.


I admit, the information I have about ST Online is through third parties (Friends, gaming stores, LAN's, etc), so I can't really base a accurate judgement on it, but from what I've heard the learning curve can be easy in some parts, hard as nails in others. A lot of ST fans I know have told me how much they hate it, as it seems to focus more on micromanagement and such, than any real gameplay. Of course, if you like that sort of thing, then you'll probably love it (Or a diehard Trekkie), but for the average gamer...
There was a thread on /v/ earlier about the game and they all complained about how easy it was. That's all I know about the game. I don't think it's really relevant to what's happening with FFXIV anyway.


What I meant by that, is that not just for MMORPG's, but for all games in general, hype can make or break a game even before it's release. All this information of FFXIV you've shown (while in it's own way is nice) and judging from your posts, seems to be building to the hype that this will be a great game. If that's what you truly believe, then that's fine. We all have different views, and unfortunately mine are against yours.
Again, I'm only stating what's known about the game. People can take it how they like and get excited about it, but I'm pretty neutral on it right now.


Exactly. The screenshots shown do not mean that is what the graphics themselves will look like. In game demos, before you even get to the title screen, there's usually a warning stating that they may be different in the finished version.
This is what I've been saying. S-E have stated the Alpha is a barebones version and all the graphical features you expect in a game will be added in later. The only reason I brought it up is because you and Enkidoh chose to attack the game because of its wonky graphics.


True graphics cards aren't that expensive nowadays, but then there's also soundcards and other peripherals needed as well to get the maximum benefit.
Anybody who tells you you need a sound card is lying. I don't know what other peripherals are required or what they have to do with making a PC "powerful."

Darth Revan
04-10-2010, 12:12 PM
SE has stated that FFXIV is going to be solo friendly (as you've stated above, but also from other sources) and all that other stuff. Boils down to what the individual gamer themselves wants in the end.

This is getting us nowhere FSITO. We're both raising pros and cons here, so I'm calling it a truce.

chewey
04-10-2010, 12:18 PM
It's only going to nowhere because you refuse to listen to reason.

Case in point:

SE has stated that FFXIV is going to be solo friendly
Yes, with an emphasis still on teamwork. Your character levels faster in a party and I imagine working in a party would be easier. I have absolutely no idea how you can hold soloing being viable against the game.

So,

I think you're probably trying too hard to find a reason to hate this game.

Darth Revan
04-10-2010, 12:41 PM
The reasons you state, are what's already known about the game and listed elsewhere for people who want to know about.


I have absolutely no idea how you can hold soloing being viable against the game.

Where in any of my posts have I stated that:

"I hate soloing and FFXIV is going to be terrible because of it."

I haven't. I've spent time in FFXI soloing via Fields of Valor to level my character's jobs, while having my party flag up. I'm not overly keen on soloing I admit as I do prefer the faster exp gain you get from exp parties, but on the whole I don't mind soloing.


So,
Quote:
I think you're probably trying too hard to find a reason to hate this game.

The reason I 'hate' this game, as you succinctly phrased it, is due to the simple fact I've raised before:


I've put too much time and money into my FFXI character, to just walk away and start fresh in another game.

If that's not a viable reason for you, I don't care. As I have stated before, it all comes down to the player in question and what they think/feel, and I can't justify abandoning my FFXI character (with all the accomplishments and everything else I've achieved in that game) for FFXIV. That's my reason for 'hating' FFXIV.

chewey
04-10-2010, 03:25 PM
Where in any of my posts have I stated that:

"I hate soloing and FFXIV is going to be terrible because of it."

I haven't.

This is pretty much what you've been implying the whole time. Albeit your argument looked more like, "FFXIV is going to be simplified and catered to solo play *negative* *negative* *negative*."


The reason I 'hate' this game, as you succinctly phrased it, is due to the simple fact I've raised before
You have stated over and over again that what you've seen of FFXIV does not impress you/doesn't look better than what's available in FFXI. You've spoken negatively of the game the entire time.

Nobody told you to leave FFXI. FFXIV isn't supposed to replace FFXI, or else they would stop releasing content for it.

You've stated things that aren't true about the game/made broad generlisations/basically tried to find any reason to speak negatively of the game despite me proving everything you've said false. You don't have to be hyped for the game - I'm not either - but you don't have to come in here and try and justify why you're going to stick with FFXI. You're attached to your character and the time you've spent on it and that's a perfectly fine reason to stick with the game. It's not a very good reason to imply FFXIV is going to be a piece of shit.

Edit: I was going to respond but Jesse told me to.

I don't know why I listened to him I hate that guy >:|

Darth Revan
04-10-2010, 04:06 PM
This is pretty much what you've been implying the whole time. Albeit your argument looked more like, "FFXIV is going to be simplified and catered to solo play *negative* *negative* *negative*."

Not just myself, others have as well.


You have stated over and over again that what you've seen of FFXIV does not impress you/doesn't look better than what's available in FFXI. You've spoken negatively of the game the entire time.

So I'm supposed to praise a game I don't like? In that case, I vote for The Bouncer to be named the best game ever.


Nobody told you to leave FFXI. FFXIV isn't supposed to replace FFXI, or else they would stop releasing content for it.

I never said anyone has told me to leave FFXI. Just stated my reasons as to why I won't go to FFXIV.


You've stated things that aren't true about the game/made broad generlisations/basically tried to find any reason to speak negatively of the game despite me proving everything you've said false. You don't have to be hyped for the game - I'm not either - but you don't have to come in here and try and justify why you're going to stick with FFXI. You're attached to your character and the time you've spent on it and that's a perfectly fine reason to stick with the game. It's not a very good reason to imply FFXIV is going to be a piece of shit.

So it's a crime now to have an opinion here? What I stated about FFXIV, is from what I've read about in the past about it. I'm not right up to date with the current information SE's releasing, and why would I? I don't like FFXIV so why would I follow the info?

How do you know that FFXIV isn't going to be a piece of shit? Nothing is known about the story or anything else at this time, yet judging from your posts regarding it and how passionate you come across regarding it, it seems like you've been converted over to thinking it's going to be a great game.

For the final time... Until more information is released about it, regarding story, character race backgrounds, beastiary etc... pointless debating like this is meaningless.

humbertoizaiah
08-09-2010, 08:33 AM
I liked the FF13 battle system. Made my life easier and the game more frantic. FF12 is good with gambits. Never had to touch the driver when he entered the battle.

CC
08-09-2010, 05:12 PM
FFXIII seems like it works better the way it is. I don't want it to be the same as every other installment. Every single FF has its ups and downs, but more people just happened to dislike FFXIII. That doesn't mean it's a bad game, so I agree with you there.