Esura
01-13-2011, 11:47 PM
http://www.uffsite.net/news/464/square-enix-registers-final-fantasy-13-2-domain-name.html

Domain name and copyright registry-spotting genius superannuation has spotted an interesting new domain name registration by the guys at Square Enix - finalfantasy13-2game.com.

The domain name Whois information can be viewed through this link, and shows that the domain registration was filed on Monday 11th January 2011. It's due to expire on the same day in 2013.

Tweeting, superannuation noted that the domain had been registered by "Corporation Service Company" - the same company that has registered domains for other Square Enix titles, including the official website for upcoming third person shooter MindJack, MindJackGame.com.

We've done a little extra investigation on top, and the same company has recently been used to register domains for Front Mission Evolved, Nier and Gun Loco, all major recent or upcoming Square Enix releases.

This makes it pretty damn likely that the registration is indeed from Square Enix - the question now is if the registration is just Square Enix merely domain-name squatting or if they're up to something more interesting - like putting out a full-blown sequel to Final Fantasy XIII. It's worth noting much of the FF13 team came straight off the back of working on Final Fantasy X-2, the first FF main series sequel.

If that's the case, it's likely that this newly registered domain is an indication that we can expect announcements of new Final Fantasy XIII-related games at the Square Enix First Production Department Premiere, which is due to take place next week.

As always, it's worth remembering that this isn't concrete proof that Square Enix registered the domain, and it could all be a fan or something - but given the evidence above, we'd say that it's likely that it is from Square Enix. The question is why. We've pinged Square Enix for comment.

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Whats your thoughts about this?

XxJeremyxX
01-14-2011, 04:56 AM
I see nothing wrong with it. it's just a name.

Neg
01-14-2011, 05:21 AM
I'd be down with XIII-2. But, that's obvious. I'm down with Versus. Where the hell is that? Or Agito?

Darth Revan
01-14-2011, 05:39 AM
More proof that SE is only catering to the mindless masses and sending out poor quality games. SE's golden days left years ago.

Esura
01-14-2011, 05:39 AM
I see nothing wrong with it. it's just a name.
It hints at the possibility of a FFXIII-2 game being made, which gets me hyped.


More proof that SE is only catering to the mindless masses and sending out poor quality games. SE's golden days left years ago.
Poor quality game? What poor quality game Square made this gen aside from FFXIV? Alot of their shit games has been developed by someone else but published by them.

Darth Revan
01-14-2011, 09:01 AM
Poor quality game? What poor quality game Square made this gen aside from FFXIV? Alot of their shit games has been developed by someone else but published by them.

Star Ocean The Last Hope
The Last Remnant
Infinite Undiscovery
Front Mission Evolved
Just Cause 2

Yes, I know the last two were published by SE, but the enormity of the poor quality of these games is staggering. I do agree with you about FFXIV, as that has been nothing short of a disaster, but even the FF games on the PS2 onwards have failed to grasp my attention (I'm referring to console games here, not FFXI as that's a MMORPG which is a whole different sort of animal.).

Esura
01-15-2011, 08:37 PM
Star Ocean The Last Hope
The Last Remnant
Infinite Undiscovery
Front Mission Evolved
Just Cause 2

Yes, I know the last two were published by SE, but the enormity of the poor quality of these games is staggering. I do agree with you about FFXIV, as that has been nothing short of a disaster, but even the FF games on the PS2 onwards have failed to grasp my attention (I'm referring to console games here, not FFXI as that's a MMORPG which is a whole different sort of animal.).
Um, Star Ocean The Last Hope and Infinite Undiscovery were made by Tri-Ace, Front Mission Evolved was made by Western developers, and Just Cause 2 was made by some Western dev as well. The Last Remnant, well they was trying something different and it failed. At least they tried.

Also, it seems as though your problems with Square lies not with the quality of the games they made from PS2 onwards more so that the style of their PS2 games doesn't appease you. Different strokes for different blokes I guess.

Darth Revan
01-15-2011, 11:25 PM
Ok then, FFXIII.

While that has it's fanbase of fanatical fans, the game does have it's flaws. Unlikable Characters, poor story as well as other problems. Besides, it boils down to personal choice of the individual in question. IMO, SE has lost whatever it had that made them great. Spawning sequels and prequels (Compilation of FFVII), linking FF's together (Ivalice Compilation)... that was NOT what the Father of Final Fantasy (and former savior), Hironobu Sakaguchi, had in mind for the series. They were originally supposed to be their own individual stories, no sequels/prequel/garbage.

topopoz
01-16-2011, 05:17 PM
linking FF's together (Ivalice Compilation)

Squeenix should've never released XII as a Main FF Game, that provoked the hype backlash.

ultima_tales
01-17-2011, 10:08 PM
I check a couple of forums and it had intox talk about a ffxiii-2 possibility.

I wouldn't know whether it's all made up, (so I styled in intox up there) though the release of final fantasy international in japan is veracious.

The "info" appeared on the following places:

-Dilly Dally, Shilly Shally-Lissar's Translations: Final Fantasy XIII: Episode i (http://dilly-shilly.blogspot.com/2010/12/final-fantasy-xiii-episode-i.html)
Final Fantasy XIII - Epilogue (Episode i) - Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202286)

Before you read, if you read, this was some sort of amateur translation and there seems to be no footage on the internet apparently of it.

[spoiler]


The story started off just after the last scene of the game. The first thing the group did was to find Hope's dad, and to make sure the Sanctum troops were alright. The troops turned out to be okay (despite Rygdea was missing). Cocoon, together with one-third of the Cocoon's population, was destroyed. So Snow and Serah decided to build what they called a new world on pulse. On the other hand, Sazh and Hope wanted to become the strengths of the ones who were left behind. Within everyone's minds, rescuing Fang and Vanille was their first priority. However, they must also help the ones in need, and atone for what they have done.

Lightning, without notifying anyone, quietly walked away from the group. She didn't know why but has the feeling of someone (or something) calling her, urging her to move on. She has a feeling that the war wasn't over yet.

While Sazh, with his son Dahj, piloted his airship to rescue and support the ones in need, Hope went with the Sanctum troops after he was told that his dad has been found. Snow and Serah watched the three of them go. She told him she wanted to become a teacher in the future which he agreed. Just then, Serah finally realized Lightning was already nowhere to be seen. She then started to feel worried.

When Lightning finally came to realization, she found herself floating in the middle of a sea-like zone. There were monsters but neither animals nor plants could be seen. She couldn't sense any breath of life nor could she feel the passage of time. It was a world filled with nihility and abyss. She didn't know why she was there. The only thing Lightning knew was to keep going. "Where am I going?" She asked. There was no answer. In that momentary yet eternal silence, the voice disappeared.



Again, nobody mentioned anything official and all that is said on those forums has nothing to do, the comments there are predictions, etc...


So what do you all think, possible sequel? ( I would say no I think. )

PS: I would also like to ask if these sources have anything real, because I merely posted this here as I thought it was interesting. What I doubt is the seeming release of FF13 international, which I get many errors trying to look for while googling.

thx

Neg
01-17-2011, 10:24 PM
Agent, initiate the merge, over~

ultima_tales
01-18-2011, 12:01 AM
Hmm, I guess that explains xD Thanks

Neg
01-18-2011, 12:23 AM
There's another thread about this in Gen. FF. They need to be merged. Simple stuff.

Esura
01-18-2011, 05:59 AM
Ok then, FFXIII.

While that has it's fanbase of fanatical fans, the game does have it's flaws. Unlikable Characters, poor story as well as other problems. Besides, it boils down to personal choice of the individual in question. IMO, SE has lost whatever it had that made them great. Spawning sequels and prequels (Compilation of FFVII), linking FF's together (Ivalice Compilation)... that was NOT what the Father of Final Fantasy (and former savior), Hironobu Sakaguchi, had in mind for the series. They were originally supposed to be their own individual stories, no sequels/prequel/garbage.
Things change. Square Enix aren't the only publisher/developers making prequels and sequels to existing main entries left and right. At least they are trying different stuff with their sequels and prequels unlike some... *cough*Bandai Namco*cough*

Out of most publishing/developing companies, I place most trust in Sony and Square Enix...and thats saying a lot considering I normally don't trust most companies of any industry. They earned it for striving for something different in an industry overrun with carbon copy FPS games and subpar RPGs like Fallout 3 and Resonance of Fate.

Darth Revan
01-18-2011, 06:22 AM
Things change. Square Enix aren't the only publisher/developers making prequels and sequels to existing main entries left and right. At least they are trying different stuff with their sequels and prequels unlike some... *cough*Bandai Namco*cough*

Maybe so, but each person has their own opinion. Myself, I honestly think SE hasn't grown. They're stuck in the same mentality which saved their asses back in the 1980's. JRPG's haven't grown/changed either. Just the same thing: Emo hero, drawn to impossible cause, joins up with a group of misfits to save the world from whichever long haired, clown with a insanity complex and cross dressing fetish (Referring to Sephiroth, Kefka and Kuja as examples, but it's more or less the same thing). A lot of the fanbase for older JRPG's have moved on to other games or even WRPG's (Not all though, there are some diehard fanatics still clinging to outdated, unchanged games).


Out of most publishing/developing companies, I place most trust in Sony and Square Enix...and thats saying a lot considering I normally don't trust most companies of any industry. They earned it for striving for something different in an industry overrun with carbon copy FPS games and subpar RPGs like Fallout 3 and Resonance of Fate.

No offense, but this paragraph here makes it clear to me that you're a Sony/Square Enix fanatic. That's fine, but just remember not everyone have the same feelings/viewpoints as you do.

Earned it for striving different in an industry overrun with carbon copy FPS games and subpar RPGs like Fallout 3 and Resonance of Fate. That's your opinion that they are subpar, but comparing RPG's with other genres of games is foolhardy. Fallout 3 for example is a Action RPG, which you can't really compare Action RPG's with JRPG's. Action RPG's, Western RPG's, Japanese RPG's... they are all different styles of games, but have the same fundamentals. Underneath all the flashiness, music, etc is the same common factor: RPG. I've played FF since the first on my 8Bit Nintendo console, as well as many other RPG's. People's tastes in games change over time, and I am not a fan of any JRPG's anymore. They don't hold my attention like they used to, probably because I'm just sick and tired of the same thing (which I stated in my first paragraph), which a majority of recent JRPG's seem to be regurgitating over and over.

ultima_tales
01-18-2011, 10:16 AM
FF13-2 is bound to be a magical girl game where fang and vanille fight their way through stardom in the abstract world of the falcie. I wouldn't mind the whole set-up provided they don't make a Team Leblanc. (and if they do, without the 2 beetle characters it would be passing I guess )

I think SE is doing great sending their games into great visuals. My only problem with SE is they have the same staff working over many titles, it might suggest something about why the games seem to recur in many aspirations; aka blame the creativity.

They could hire someone else than Nomura for character design, or at least someone that won't draw them exactly in that way. I would really welcome a game that would be a little more like FF9, ( yea I know nomura was on it) provided it can adapt to needs of a 2011 public, because 1m20cm hero kinda tough to imagine these days. :p ( I don't care about the official height of character )

Yea heck they should make an ff entirely focused on the save crystal. I bet it would fit the nova crystallis series intricately. I bet id buy even that. xD

topopoz
01-18-2011, 03:04 PM
I think SE is doing great sending their games into great visuals. My only problem with SE is they have the same staff working over many titles, it might suggest something about why the games seem to recur in many aspirations; aka blame the creativity.

This is probably truth... although nomura makes the artwork for FF, he is full hands on Kingdom Hearts...



They could hire someone else than Nomura for character design, or at least someone that won't draw them exactly in that way. I would really welcome a game that would be a little more like FF9, ( yea I know nomura was on it) provided it can adapt to needs of a 2011 public, because 1m20cm hero kinda tough to imagine these days. :p ( I don't care about the official height of character )


More like FFIX... Really?
Revan complaining about cross-dressing & you bring the artwork of a game that the protagonists are ambiguous Super Deformed Furries....

No I completely disagree & not just because I hate FFIX, it's because it's the worst artwork of the Series...


If people want FF back, they need Yoshitaka Amano on artwork again. Bringing back the art from the pre-VII days.
And Sakaguchi on direction & Add anyone that can bring some new ideas that fit with FF.

Smarty
01-18-2011, 03:18 PM
It's fucking official... (http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/83574/square-enix-announces-final-fantasy-xiii-2/)

Enkidoh
01-18-2011, 03:38 PM
Well, lets hope this time around SE have learnt their lesson and actually give us a fucking world map this time!

Not to mention a battle system where you can control all your characters, and get rid of that stupid 'instant game over if the main character is KO'd' thing.

Who knows, they might surprise us and actually do something right for a change.

ANGRYWOLF
01-18-2011, 05:27 PM
It's fucking official... (http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/83574/square-enix-announces-final-fantasy-xiii-2/)

Yup:

Final Fantasy XIII-2 arriving 2011 in Japan - News at GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6286432.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topstory&tag=topstory%3Btitle)

Not excited by this one.
I wonder if it's just all the stuff they left out of the first game.Supposedly there was a ton of stuff, enough for another game.
Will I buy it.
Yes.
But I expect it to be on the order of Dirge of Cerebus and other FF sequels/prequels.

ultima_tales
01-19-2011, 04:29 AM
Yea, ff13-2 is official, forums about to get magicalgirl in armor category? :D

They also took time to leak gameplay footage of ff13 versus, which seems very playable, but not visually stunning as I expected. They'll probably go for powerful cutscenes, again. :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAP3ndTQd6E


No I completely disagree & not just because I hate FFIX, it's because it's the worst artwork of the Series... If people want FF back, they need Yoshitaka Amano on artwork again. Bringing back the art from the pre-VII days.

Although I disagree about Amano, his style put into character design is very difficult to implement. It's rather cold and gloomy sometimes. It works better on illustrations, perhaps it's too artistic in a way. It worked well in first series because it was all re-rendered for the early pixelated consoles, so I guess it would work for matte painting etc, but regardless, someone had to implement the looks into the game, and that wasn't him. He would be good for promotional concept arts, which most recognized artists of his prestige do alone. But having him do the logo each time is big enough, I believe. Can't be sad cash-wise either


And Sakaguchi on direction

I think the local shinjuku yakuzas would want him out of the picture, as he did make the biggest box office bomb of all times with spirits within, If I was him I would still be having nightmares on it. No wonder he's in Hawaii directing the Last Story. :D

I think The Last Story could provide more fun than both of these, ff13-2 which could end up being magical girl in armor game. ( I mean look at that other dude in the video; is like Nooj with a rapier and a musketter clothing, and lightning seems wannabe sophitia from soul calibur, which is kinda cool in a way)

In that sense I consider the Last Story to be the real Final Fantasy continuation. Given both sakaguchi and nobuo are on it. And I don't mind the lower resolution.


& Add anyone that can bring some new ideas that fit with FF.

They should hire ffshriners to do the scenario, something interesting will unfold I bet. xD

Raidenex
01-19-2011, 08:58 AM
If past Final Fantasy sequels are anything to go by, FF13-2 should be awesome.

Final Fantasy X was an excellent game, with a moving story that FFX-2 came along and shat all over.

Final Fantasy XIII was a boring game with an uninvolving story - honestly, if they made the chicks into a girl-group with lots of fan-service - and changed the english voice actress for Vanille - the game would be loads better than FF13. What most people forget is that apart from the fact X-2 completely ruined the world and story of Spira, the game itself was actually better.

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In that sense I consider the Last Story to be the real Final Fantasy continuation. Given both sakaguchi and nobuo are on it. And I don't mind the lower resolution.

They worked together on Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, as well. They're decent games, but I wouldn't call them a FF continuation.

Esura
01-19-2011, 11:15 AM
No offense, but this paragraph here makes it clear to me that you're a Sony/Square Enix fanatic. That's fine, but just remember not everyone have the same feelings/viewpoints as you do.
.
Actually, I'm not. As I stated in that paragraph, I hardly place much trust in corporate entities except for them, and thats not saying a lot considering they make some silly choices as well, although I do try to support companies that deem worthy of it. Those two...and maybe Rockstar, Ubisoft, and Atlus...erm, Index Holdings as well, are the only publishers/developers I would buy a game "new". You can favor a developer/publisher without being a straight up fanatic you know. Just because I'm not jumping on this "Square-hating" bandwagon doesn't make me a fanatic.


Fallout 3 for example is a Action RPG, which you can't really compare Action RPG's with JRPG's.
What the hell are you talking about? Of course you can. They are still RPGs, no matter what letter or word you add before it.


As for FFXIII-2, awesome....and its coming out so soon? Wow. I hyped!

Darth Revan
01-19-2011, 01:02 PM
Actually, I'm not. As I stated in that paragraph, I hardly place much trust in corporate entities except for them, and thats not saying a lot considering they make some silly choices as well, although I do try to support companies that deem worthy of it.

Square has made numerous mistakes, as has every other company in this business. However, from my perspective, SE has made too many mistakes for me to say, That's ok, I forgive you. The only SE game I play now, is Final Fantasy XI Online, but as that's a MMORPG and not a console RPG, it's a different beast so you can't really compare the two. IMO, unless SE does something to make it stand out, amidst many other companies making RPG's (Whether they be WRPG or JRPG) they'll fall into obscurity.


Just because I'm not jumping on this "Square-hating" bandwagon doesn't make me a fanatic.

Where is this bandwagon you speak of? I'm not grouping people together to hate Square... Just my OWN opinion. The line you wrote:


I place most trust in Sony and Square Enix

Reeks of fanaticism and fanboyism. Granted you did add that state you don't trust many companies, but that is contradictory. Still whatever, not going to argue semantics with you.


What the hell are you talking about? Of course you can. They are still RPGs, no matter what letter or word you add before it.

That's what I said. Read this: Action RPG's, Western RPG's, Japanese RPG's... they are all different styles of games, but have the same fundamentals. Underneath all the flashiness, music, etc is the same common factor: RPG.

WRPGs are more skill orientated, as you have a skill for almost everything you do, whereas JRRPGs have the more traditional aspect of leveling. WRPGs offer more freedom in the 'world', while JRPGs are more linear based. Equipment wise you have a far large range of options in WRPGs and are dropped more frequently from defeated foes, while in JRPGs you equip whatever you find in the field, or sell everything you have and hope you have enough to buy that shiny sword/gun in armor shop (although the next town you go to, always has something better.).With WRPGs, you're not stuck with a default set character and can custom make your own character to offer more personal involvement with the story, while JRPGs are a set/default type character, with minimal custom options for said character. With some WRPGs (like BioWare's SWKotOR or ME series) you have custom class categories, to change to upon reaching certain levels/level points, whereas in JRPGs classes are more or less assigned from the get go. Take those differences aside, and you have at the fundamental core, a role playing game. It's all the extras which differentiate between the two. In a way, you can't really compare the two as they are (with the above differences) two different animals. It'd be like saying a Tomato and Apple are the same thing.


As for FFXIII-2, awesome....and its coming out so soon? Wow. I hyped!

Back to topic... FFXIII-2... Just seems to me SE's trying everything they can to get money into their coffers after failures like Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within and Final Fantasy XIV.

topopoz
01-19-2011, 04:04 PM
Although I disagree about Amano, his style put into character design is very difficult to implement. It's rather cold and gloomy sometimes. It works better on illustrations, perhaps it's too artistic in a way. It worked well in first series because it was all re-rendered for the early pixelated consoles, so I guess it would work for matte painting etc, but regardless, someone had to implement the looks into the game, and that wasn't him. He would be good for promotional concept arts, which most recognized artists of his prestige do alone. But having him do the logo each time is big enough, I believe. Can't be sad cash-wise either

I personally don't like his illustrations, IMO he ruined the designs of XII for example & when you look at the Illustrations of the Previous FF games are not quite likeable. But at creating concepts & design he is awesome. Nomura Illustrating the Concepts of Amano from the pre-FFVII characters was an instant win for Dissidia IMO.




I think the local shinjuku yakuzas would want him out of the picture, as he did make the biggest box office bomb of all times with spirits within, If I was him I would still be having nightmares on it. No wonder he's in Hawaii directing the Last Story. :D

They should hire ffshriners to do the scenario, something interesting will unfold I bet. xD

ROFL HAHAHAHAHAHAH +10

ultima_tales
01-19-2011, 09:35 PM
They worked together on Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, as well. They're decent games, but I wouldn't call them a FF continuation.

We shall see for that, I bet Sakaguchi is a McGyver in videogame directing and can make a decent game with the limited funding he gets. Comparably I was deceived when I saw previews of ff13 versus which looks like it could have passed on ps2 as well. I seriously think ff13 versus critics will be bad.

I officially call it now on the 19th january 2011: Versus will Suck. ( I will buy it regardless)
The only thing that might not suck is a worldmap, if there is one like they mentioned somewhere I can't remember.

I also call that the Last Story won't sell good, but will get good reviews, and won't be sakaguchi's last big game attempt.

And in case someone working for square-enix checks these forums for opinions of the buyers: ( which I hope they do)

For ff13-2 I hope they add:

-More special moves and less static battling.

-Less pagan/buddhist eidolons like shiva, ifrit, ramuh, vishnu,... etc. ;; give them another name at least, I mean heck I would be surprised if Ifrit did an Ice attack once. My favorite were the G-Forces in ff8, it.. friking had ozzy osbourne's crazy train machine as invocation, which was damn cool.

Ps: Bring back Atomos!

-More focus on the interaction between Cocoon and Pulse.

- New characters to replace: hope and sazh. No Nooj-looking sidekick for lightning.

- No characters with ridiculous haircuts like Baralai and Wakka.

- No " Zanarkand Abes! " , Dressspheres.

- Less coldness than projected by ff13, it's really a lifeless game in enumerable ways.

- More towns, because now the story seems more open. A smaller Archelyte steppe, or towns there, because it's huge and annoying to explore.

- Teleporting devices with earlier access. What was great about ff12 was the teleport stones, very simple to use, great in many ways.

- " " " " X is not the only button " " " " "

- And most importantly: Add cactuar and tonberry, they are missed.

matt damon
01-19-2011, 09:58 PM
http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/83574/updated-square-enix-announces-final-fantasy-xiii-2/

matt damon
01-19-2011, 10:03 PM
UPDATED: Square-Enix Announces Final Fantasy XIII-2 - gamrFeed (http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/83574/updated-square-enix-announces-final-fantasy-xiii-2/)

XJF
01-20-2011, 11:46 PM
Download Links
1080 English Trailer m2ts (http://www.multiupload.com/960UR6Q7I4)
Non HD English Trailer mp4 (http://www.multiupload.com/EJMZHJYBPH)

Neg
01-21-2011, 09:43 AM
Second link is fine. I tried the megaupload link it led me to. I'd assume the first is fine, too. Still, dl at your own risk.

TM
01-21-2011, 06:56 PM
All they need to do is make it so you actually play the game instead of just sitting there and watching.

Scryer
01-24-2011, 02:45 AM
YouTube - Final Fantasy 13-2 ENGLISH Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi8tq-ahBRs)

^^^For people, like me, who use the shit out of youtube.

Kusanagi Fire
01-30-2011, 01:04 AM
All they need to do is make it so you actually play the game instead of just sitting there and watching.

Agreed! And please make use of the large worlds of Cocoon and Pulse instead of parading us through narrow corridors.

Agent0042
01-30-2011, 05:26 PM
I'm tentatively excited about it. I don't think it'll be much like X-2 and I like Lightning, so I'm looking forward to it. I agree, if they can fix the things that people didn't like about the original battle system and really open up the worlds, then it could be great.

Neg
01-30-2011, 07:12 PM
I'm infinitely more excited about Versus (have you seen the 6 minute trailer, Agent?), but I'll buy 2~

Agent0042
01-30-2011, 09:10 PM
No, haven't seen it yet, Neg, still need to. But that one's still TBA on a release date - at least we know that XIII-2 will be ready this year, assuming they stick with that date.

Neg
01-30-2011, 10:26 PM
That scares me, considering what happened the last time they rushed something out.

Ikiwa
02-01-2011, 12:35 AM
Sequel are good. i have no problem with that. It's just what happened to games they keep teasing us about. I'm not a fan ff xiii. The names were enough to prevent me from playing let alone the reviews. The teaser for it looks good, maybe SE is trying to make this one likable. If it's as good as it looks I'll play it.

I read something about Star Ocean 4 in the first pages, SO4 was not bad it was good, not great. Overall the plot need to be handled better and it needed some depth and more character development, but it was a good game. To me aleast.

CC
02-01-2011, 01:10 AM
There's no way imaginable XIII-2 will be good. Sorry, but I'm going to go full-blown pessimist on this one.

ultima_tales
02-01-2011, 11:23 AM
I think Square Enix listened to Ondore's Lies about ffx-2 being good prior to making this

Aniki
02-01-2011, 01:07 PM
I think it'll end up being decent. I mean seriously, how can it not be? Even if they decide to put in a battle system from one the previous FF games the game would automatically suck less than FF XIII, not to mention sticking more NPCs, a town or two, and an open world.

CC
02-01-2011, 06:01 PM
LOL Ultima, those were my thoughts too ;)

I dunno Aniki, maybe you're right. I'm just afraid that both XIII-2 and XIV were both rushed out to appease people when XIII wasn't received as well as a lot of people hoped it would be (which, still, I did like XIII). And with XIV such a cataclysmic failure, coupled with the fact that XIII-2 is supposedly coming out this year, I just can't get my hopes up.

Marceline
02-01-2011, 06:23 PM
In what universe did XIII bomb? It's sold millions, and it wouldn't be getting a sequel if it hadn't.

Don't let pessimism make you silly, kiddo~

topopoz
02-01-2011, 07:03 PM
It sold millions only because it's FF...

CC
02-01-2011, 07:13 PM
Poor word choice on my part. . . . I really just meant all the disappointment people had when their expectations were let down. Initial sales don't constitute it being a huge success because I can imagine the return rate was pretty high too. I liked it, and I would buy it and keep it, but judging by all the complaints about it everywhere (the linearity, the battle system, the this, the that) SE spent a long, long time working on something that most people didn't like once they got it. So as a result, they hurried XIV out, and now with a sequel already in the works and planned for release so soon, I'm more so just worried rather than cynical that it's not going to be so good.

Agent0042
02-01-2011, 07:15 PM
I wouldn't say it bombed, I'd say it's had a mixed reaction. That's different. There are many people who like Final Fantasy XIII.

CC
02-01-2011, 07:16 PM
I wouldn't say it bombed, I'd say it's had a mixed reaction. That's different. There are many people who like Final Fantasy XIII.

Lol yeah, that's really what I meant to say. Sometimes I word things differently than how I mean to convey them :p

Marceline
02-01-2011, 07:33 PM
I definitely think Square would like to get back to all their games being universally acclaimed, especially with how badly XIV was received. It'll be interesting to see if they put a lot of work into making it a better game for its PS3 release, or if they'll just try and sweep it under the rug and hope that people forget about it.

Right now, I'm more excited about Versus, but maybe that'll change when I see XIII-2's battle system.

Aniki
02-01-2011, 07:55 PM
There are many people who like Final Fantasy XIII.

Most of those people are Final Fantasy fans, who own pretty much every FF title starting from FF VII.

Agent0042
02-01-2011, 08:03 PM
Most of those people are Final Fantasy fans, who own pretty much every FF title starting from FF VII.
Maybe, maybe not. I know plenty of hardcore Final Fantasy fans who are totally against Final Fantasy XIII.

Darth Revan
02-01-2011, 11:19 PM
Most of those people are Final Fantasy fans, who own pretty much every FF title starting from FF VII.

I've been a fan of FF since FFI... and I hate FFXIII, amongst other titles in the series (mainly the Gamecube FF's and the PS2 versions (except FFXI, but that's a MMO and a different beast compared to console RPG's)).

Neg
02-01-2011, 11:21 PM
Fan since the original. Like XII and XIII a shit ton more than most of the earlier ones.

:noonecares:

ultima_tales
02-02-2011, 09:32 PM
I've had higher expectations of nintendo ds titles.. :p

advent sephiroth
02-03-2011, 03:16 PM
dose anyone else think that XIII-2 might swing in the same that X-2 did, one main character travels around and in the end brings back the other main character or in XIII case two of them, but if fang and vanille are set free won't Cocoon fall ?

Agent0042
02-03-2011, 08:21 PM
Well, obviously they're going to have to find some way around that problem if they want to free Fang & Vanille.

Dragoncurry
02-03-2011, 10:01 PM
Less pagan/buddhist eidolons like shiva, ifrit, ramuh, vishnu,... etc. ;; give them another name at least, I mean heck I would be surprised if Ifrit did an Ice attack once. My favorite were the G-Forces in ff8, it.. friking had ozzy osbourne's crazy train machine as invocation, which was damn cool.

Shiva is the primary Hindu deity, not Buddhist. Ifrit can also refer to demons in various religions, where doing a fire attack is typical. Other than Shiva, there is no reference to any Hindu deities in Final Fantasy games. Beyond all of that, Shiva and Ifrit and Ramuh have been staples in most Final Fantasy games to a point where they have transcended their original inspirations to become entities unique to the franchise. You associating them with any sort of polytheistic faith (of which buddhism isn't one) shows how generally ignorant you are. Also why you would probably soak up whatever shit SE puts out. Like FFXIII-2 or whatever this new garbage is going to be.

ultima_tales
02-05-2011, 05:52 AM
Shiva is the primary Hindu deity, not Buddhist. Ifrit can also refer to demons in various religions, where doing a fire attack is typical. Other than Shiva, there is no reference to any Hindu deities in Final Fantasy games. Beyond all of that, Shiva and Ifrit and Ramuh have been staples in most Final Fantasy games to a point where they have transcended their original inspirations to become entities unique to the franchise. You associating them with any sort of polytheistic faith (of which buddhism isn't one) shows how generally ignorant you are. Also why you would probably soak up whatever shit SE puts out. Like FFXIII-2 or whatever this new garbage is going to be.

Makes me sad how many people try to start flame wars these days. I didn't mean to harm any pagan faith. I beg you forgiveness.

Dragoncurry
02-05-2011, 12:30 PM
Oh I know you didn't mean to harm any pagan faith.


shows how generally ignorant you are. Also why you would probably soak up whatever shit SE puts out. Like FFXIII-2 or whatever this new garbage is going to be.

Agent0042
02-05-2011, 08:39 PM
Enough.

The Ricky
02-05-2011, 08:44 PM
I've had 13 for 3 days now, and I'm considering taking it back honestly.

ANGRYWOLF
02-06-2011, 01:51 AM
as it cracked.Probably bad manufacturing.
I do intend to buy another copy eventually.
I wouldn't take mine back as there's always a possibility you might be able to import stuff from FFXIII to the new game FFXIII-2.

I did think about taking FFXII back as I believe it has poor plot and character developement.But I kept it although I never finished it.

Square probably intends to use a lot of the stuff they had left over from FFXIII in the new game.That must be why it won't take them as long to make it.

I don't buy their propaganda but Square does need more sales/a real hit.
More.
Something along the order of 10 million sales right out the gate or something along those lines.
They've reportedly lost money in the first of this year so they need a hit right now.

Agent0042
02-06-2011, 04:05 AM
This is not a general "Let's discuss FF13" thread. Please keep your comments confined to Final Fantasy XIII-2, or if you are going to talk about XIII, it should be related to XIII-2 and how it affects your opinion of it, whether or not you'll buy it, etc. etc.

Dragoncurry
02-08-2011, 07:41 PM
I have to buy it to see if they fixed any of the problems plaguing FF13 for me. Although my expectations are terribly low, the biggest mistake is not giving SE a chance, even though they aren't really deserving of one given the last 3 or 4 titles and numerous remakes that they spent time putting out.

ultima_tales
02-09-2011, 06:16 PM
The remakes are great to make the younger generations play ff. I wish they made them in 3d though, for psp instead of ds at least, but ds is fine.

I have to quote wikipedia, well at least as it's now; until it's updated:


Square-Enix Europe : "The game exceeds Final Fantasy XIII in every aspect, including the battle system. "

I really hope they gave more freedom on the chaining system, would be surprised if they changed it. I'd be disappointed if they kept 1 eidolon per character though. I miss the active battle system of FF12. If they could somehow allow the characters to move while still keeping that level of high definition and making it feel like a movie. Then it would be a real step up. I hope they read these forums for customer's opinions cuz there's at least x-amount potential buyers regularly visting this site. :p

*wants Fang and Vanille in Armor <3 - - - *

CC
02-09-2011, 06:28 PM
I think remakes are great just to see the story from a whole new perspective. It doesn't make the original or the remake itself less valid than the other, it's just two sides to a coin, imo. While one may not be acceptable to one person, the other version may be ideal. I think Square remakes so many things in so many ways to appeal to as many people as possible; one man's trash is another man's beagle.

topopoz
02-10-2011, 05:17 PM
I think Square remakes so many things in so many ways to appeal to as many people as possible; one man's trash is another man's beagle.

They went way overboard with IV...

ultima_tales
02-10-2011, 06:19 PM
I agree with CC. A lot of people both could hate one and like another game it's true, for instance I disagree with IV being overworked.
The game is amazing for the ds, the opening rocks and the story is epic, the score was remastered by Junya Nakano who does a lot of justice to Uematsu's score.

Speaking of which nobody mentioned the score, I have a realistic impression that whoever will score ffxiii won't be alone, due to the complexity and length of the previous score by Hamauzu-san.

I place my bet on either:

- Ryo Yamazaki who created the battle theme and probably a lot of the fighting themes like "Eidolons", but I have no proof on that. The second part of the trailer movie does have that annoying "Snow Is back on Action" Sound. It's a trademark for him because he uses guitars a lot on his works.

-Junya Nakano is my second likely bet, he never had the chance to make a major title score but if you listen to some of his original works he could make great themes for sure, probably even better ones than Yamazaki when it comes to slow music.

-Mitsuto Suzuki would probably help arranging, like he did in ffxiii.

- Hidenori Iwasaki who proved himself in the Crystal Chronicles, who is also a good collaborator with Yamazaki might make it into the team I think...

- - - The out, no chance to work cases would be:

- Yasunori Mitsuda clearly doesn't care about FF. :p ( though if he were to participate in the making of a final fantasy soundtrack, it would probably be the most memorable ff to date ) He is releasing a Xenogears arranged album and it was published by Square Enix, though so you never know...

Hitoshi Sakimoto is working with Basiscape and probably won't rework with Square-Enix.

I would be surprised, nah delighted if Yoko Shimomura worked on this as well, she is a devine composer lady :3. But she's working on versus already.

Any thoughts on this?

topopoz
02-10-2011, 06:31 PM
Pretty much I don't care about the score, Junya Nakano would be my bet, since he's regular with Hamauzu, BTW did you listen Nakano score of Threads of Fate? It's actually a pretty good soundtrack IMO.
And Sakimoto won't work on FF, he still works with Squeenix though, Lord of Arcana & the remake of Tactics Ogre were some recent releases of the company.
It would be certainly good that Shimomura scores the whole game, but I'm pretty pissed that she didn't scored the whole music for "The 3rd Birthday". I guess she sees more profit arranging Disney Music (I'M LOOKING AT YOU KINGDOM HEARTS).

Who knows...

ultima_tales
02-10-2011, 08:19 PM
Oh yea threads of fate score is really good.

Edit:
I really wonder if Junya Nakano could be the main composer... My thought on either him or Ryo Yamazaki who is very likely responsible for the opening trailer of ffxiii-2.

Because it may seem a bit off topic wanted to mention the music is just a minor idea I think, please continue the chat, I just realized this post about the composer might have blocked the thread a bit. :p

kronkite4430
02-15-2011, 07:08 PM
I'll just say that I was off-putted by FF13, so when the sequel comes out my expectations will be quite low. The good part is that it might surpass my expectations even if it's only a slight upgrade of FF13. No hype for me this time.

Darth Revan
02-15-2011, 07:25 PM
I guess she sees more profit arranging Disney Music (I'M LOOKING AT YOU KINGDOM HEARTS). Who knows...

Minor thread derailment:

I agree with Kefka in this video about KH

KEFKA TELLS THE TRUTH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwl_z7ctlq0)

We now return you back to the thread topic, thank you.

topopoz
02-15-2011, 08:13 PM
I agree with Kefka in this video about KH

KEFKA TELLS THE TRUTH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwl_z7ctlq0)


HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ROFL!

QTF! No contest.

Although, these days, KH seems to be better than FF.

Return to topic.

JohnnyMercyside
02-16-2011, 09:30 AM
Looking forward to this, I'm not skeptical though, it could be bad, there's always the risk. X-2 wasn't a bad game technically, but the first half of the game was cringe worthy storyline wise. I liked the battle system.

Reading this thread properly now that I've finally completed FF13, two things. Fang and Vanille may not appear in this game at all, they are in crystal stasis remember? They could have an Auron-esque cameo in there maybe. Secondly, I hear the battle system will be the same as XIII, so that means unfortunately for the people who disliked it, controlling one character and game over if they die right? I didn't mind XIII's battle system either, the main character dying system added a new dimension to the game, but it didn't make sense logically, when you have two characters who can revive them.

Anyway, just wanted to give my thoughts on this game, which some of you probably don't agree with. We're an opinionated fan base aren't we? ;)

Inglorion55
02-16-2011, 04:21 PM
have not played XIII yet, nor X-2, so im not sure how to take the sequels of games. ill be hitting X-2 in a couple of months, and XIII after that. I probablly have one of the widest range of viedo game tastes of anyone, and while i am a huge fan of the JRPG, i also enjoy my WRPG, ARPG, and MMORPG. the only games i dont try are fighters(my friend ruined those for me,) and sports games(played to much to enjoy that crap)

my point is, is i have read flames of every main FF game out, and praises for the same games. I will most likely enjoy XIII as im sure it has its many charms, and I will probablly enjoy the sequel as well. My friend considers XIII one of his favoirtes, and believes that if it did not carry the "Final Fantasy" name tag, that others would probablly have enjoyed it more.

point revised: im hyped, i think it looks good, and yes i will buy it.

Agent0042
02-16-2011, 04:58 PM
I will most likely enjoy XIII as im sure it has its many charms, and I will probablly enjoy the sequel as well. My friend considers XIII one of his favoirtes, and believes that if it did not carry the "Final Fantasy" name tag, that others would probablly have enjoyed it more.
Perhaps so. I have read the complaint that it doesn't really "feel" like a Final Fantasy title - that it carries the name of the series and uses a lot of the same names and elements, but doesn't actually have the same "spirit."

kronkite4430
02-16-2011, 09:54 PM
Perhaps so. I have read the complaint that it doesn't really "feel" like a Final Fantasy title - that it carries the name of the series and uses a lot of the same names and elements, but doesn't actually have the same "spirit."

I don't think the Final Fantasy series has a "spirit." That's what was supposed to make it different from Dragon Quest. Trying new things is probably the closest to spirit FF has. It's hard for me to explain, because games that has the FF moniker "slapped onto it," are different because they weren't supposed to be FF games. FF could be anything it wants, that's it's strength.

Agent0042
02-16-2011, 11:21 PM
Oh, I didn't say that I believed any of that stuff either. That's just what I've heard people saying about it. I agree with you though. Each Final Fantasy title brings something unique and special to the table. It is indeed a strength of the series.

CC
02-17-2011, 04:35 AM
Oh, I didn't say that I believed any of that stuff either. That's just what I've heard people saying about it. I agree with you though. Each Final Fantasy title brings something unique and special to the table. It is indeed a strength of the series.

Glad we think on the same train of mind, Agent! The series doesn't have a single weak link to it, I say. V is the only one that seems to fall short of having a storyline on par with the quality of the rest of the series, but even then it is made up for in many different ways such as its class system and soundtrack (along with its nostalgic value), so I have no gripes about the series :)

Agent0042
02-17-2011, 04:50 AM
V also made up for whatever it lacked in story with its more lighthearted story, comedic moments, and likeable characters.

CC
02-17-2011, 04:53 AM
And moogles :D

Inglorion55
02-17-2011, 03:44 PM
lol i enjoyed 5's story, galuf vs xdeath, passing of powers, all that fun stuff. of course, parts of me i may admit, was completely blinded by the class system of V, but i did enjoy it, and it didnt take anything away from my fun, and added to it...so win/win.

agree w/ ardent though. i really enjoy how each FF game tries something different. FFX to FFX-2, they could have left combat the same, but they decided to change it, while different systems may not always be better(i know alot enjoyed x-2 combat though), if it was always the same...people would grow bored of it. so props to them for not being afraid to push limits. and thats the reason im looking forward to XIII-2, to see what new things they come up w/

XxJeremyxX
03-03-2011, 03:16 AM
anyone know when the series is supposed to fucking END? God damn... I am soooo tired of this series. SE makes great Dragon Quest games, but FF has gotten old to me, real fast-like. 12 sucked. 13 was god damn awful. I actually didn't finish 13 because it was such a shit-pile. wassup with that black guy with the Chocobo popping up out of his massive do? retarded.

Agent0042
03-03-2011, 03:28 AM
It lasts until they can no longer make money on it. So very possibly, never. And Sazh was awesome - one of the best characters in the game.

Neg
03-03-2011, 03:28 AM
One of the best characters in the franchise


JohnnyMercyside
03-03-2011, 09:47 AM
Sazh is a brilliant character. I'm glad many people agree. :)

Inglorion55
03-03-2011, 04:08 PM
as Agent said, not really sure why they would quit making the games when they still make money, there are plenty of people who would say 13 was a great game, and that 12 was enjoyable, not all games have to be loved by everyone. which is good cuz every game has its haters.

CC
03-03-2011, 09:50 PM
Sazh is a brilliant character. I'm glad many people agree. :)

Sazh is great :) MAN I can't wait to buy XIII.

XxJeremyxX
03-05-2011, 01:43 AM
well, you guys might have liked the dude, but I sure did not.

Agent0042
03-05-2011, 02:08 AM
And he doesn't like you, either. All your dampness is damp to him.

topopoz
03-05-2011, 02:31 AM
anyone know when the series is supposed to fucking END? God damn... I am soooo tired of this series. SE makes great Dragon Quest games, but FF has gotten old to me, real fast-like. 12 sucked. 13 was god damn awful. I actually didn't finish 13 because it was such a shit-pile. wassup with that black guy with the Chocobo popping up out of his massive do? retarded.

I'm tainted to make a defense case towards the so blindly acclaimed XII suckness. But I ain't going to gain nothing about it, other than eternal arguments.

Because as you can say, "12 sucked".

I can say that every Dragon Quest game after DQ2 sucks.

More perspective men, at least state why or simply, be more objective when stating your preferences. Rant all you want, but be clear that you're ranting because you have your reasons, not because the product itself it's a failure, none of us is the ultimate judge to determine it.

Anyway, I don't know why I'm saying this, I'm not even a mod... Maybe it's because I'm pretty fucking tired of seeing people saying things like:

XII SUXZ, IT PLEYZ ITZELF; ZTARR WARRZ RIPOF; MUZIC NOT UEMATZU; NO CHAR DEV; ZTORY SUX; CHARACTER SUXZ; VAAN LOOKZ LAIK A GIRL;

Should I go on?... xD

Agent0042
03-05-2011, 02:43 AM
Vaan looks like a girl? I always heard it said that it's Larsa that looks like a girl.

topopoz
03-05-2011, 02:58 AM
Vaan looks like a girl? I always heard it said that it's Larsa that looks like a girl.

There's an official top 10 of androgynous characters in I don't know what website like IGN or Gamespot. And Vaan is 1st place.

There's parts in the article of wikipedia that critics pointed out that Vaan looks like a girl.

Larsa too is another spot for criticizing the Char Design...

And I wonder why there wasn't any word of Seymour/Spira Hair Stylists. Kuja, Quina, Full Stop.

So, Yeah... Haters Gonna Hate

XxJeremyxX
03-05-2011, 04:05 AM
that's fine, Topo. I hear ya.

JohnnyMercyside
03-05-2011, 09:11 AM
Haters can hate. Life 'aint all sugar and rainbows. ;)

Darth Revan
03-05-2011, 10:37 AM
anyone know when the series is supposed to fucking END? God damn... I am soooo tired of this series. SE makes great Dragon Quest games, but FF has gotten old to me, real fast-like. 12 sucked. 13 was god damn awful. I actually didn't finish 13 because it was such a shit-pile. wassup with that black guy with the Chocobo popping up out of his massive do? retarded.

I refer to my earlier post in this thead:


Ok then, FFXIII.

While that has it's fanbase of fanatical fans, the game does have it's flaws. Unlikable Characters, poor story as well as other problems. Besides, it boils down to personal choice of the individual in question. IMO, SE has lost whatever it had that made them great. Spawning sequels and prequels (Compilation of FFVII), linking FF's together (Ivalice Compilation)... that was NOT what the Father of Final Fantasy (and former savior), Hironobu Sakaguchi, had in mind for the series. They were originally supposed to be their own individual stories, no sequels/prequel/garbage.

Having said that, I still do stand by that but I also understand why other people have such a fondness for this game and it's characters/etc. It all boils down to this: I gave FFXIII a chance, and it failed me. A lot of others gave it a chance as well, and it either failed them as well, or they loved it. It's all about personal preference, and the majority of gamers/reviewers love/hate FFXIII. Fact of life so deal with it. One online review of FFXIII I happen to agree with : Zero Punctuation: Final Fantasy XIII by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1569-Final-Fantasy-XIII)

My own personal feelings of SE, is that I feel they're losing their touch with games nowadays (look at the abysmal mess that is Final Fantasy XIV), though I will admit they did make some good games in the day (And yes, with that last sentence I realize just how old I am now). As Q said at the end of the final episode of Star Trek The Next Generation

"All good things, must come to a End."

Not a question of IF Final Fantasy will end... it's a question of WHEN it will end.

Smarty
03-05-2011, 11:03 AM
I wouldn't hold my breath. If it keeps making money, they have no reason to can it.

Darth Revan
03-05-2011, 11:50 AM
I wouldn't hold my breath. If it keeps making money, they have no reason to can it.

Nothing lasts forever

Agent0042
03-05-2011, 03:25 PM
Oh, I think we all know they'll eventually can it, but it's probably not going to be anytime soon. My guess would be we're probably talking about at least another decade, maybe more.

topopoz
03-05-2011, 03:28 PM
Nothing lasts forever

SuperMan Comics Still make money.

Coca-Cola Still sells the way it did back in the 20's.

Wishing for the Death of FF, it's a bit like that.

The only way that it FF would cease to exists, is that S-E does a pretty stupid move, like Sakaguchi & Spirits Within.

And apparently, S-E has some great economy consultants. So I don't think that anything like that will happen anytime soon. They have even a contract with Disney.

topopoz
03-05-2011, 04:44 PM
Since I brought this up a few posts earilier.

The Top 10 Androgynous Characters – Blistered Thumbs (http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2011/03/the-top-10-androgynous-characters/)

Faris from V is 8 Place

And QUINA is 1st.

Channel Awesome are awesome xD.

EDIT: Sorry for the Double Posting. I'm pretty Sleepy xD

Darth Revan
03-05-2011, 08:10 PM
The only way that it FF would cease to exists, is that S-E does a pretty stupid move, like Sakaguchi & Spirits Within.

And apparently, S-E has some great economy consultants. So I don't think that anything like that will happen anytime soon. They have even a contract with Disney.

I refer to this article:


After several years of development Square Enix’s highly anticipated new mmorpg, Final Fantasy XIV, has been met with a negative reception from both gamers and the media. A recent review by GameSpot rated the PC version of the game with a 4/10 while Game Trailers gave it a 4.2/10.

Though it’s hard to find a review of FFXIV from the country, Japanese gamers have voiced their disappointment with the game on several retail websites. Now it appears that all of the negative publicity may be weighing on some Square Enix investors.

On October 7th, SquareEnix’s stock price on the Tokyo Stock Exchange underwent a precipitous drop in price. It is rumored this was due to a private stockholder selling all of his investment in SquareEnix — approximately 1% of the entire company — after citing profound disappointment over the failed release of FFXIV. SquareEnix share price tumbled to 1735 yen from 1800 yen going into the afternoon, before later recovering.

It was first thought to be a misplaced stock sale. However, due to sensitivity since the J-Com incident, the Tokyo Stock Exchange and/or targeted institutional investors have always released some sort of announcement in this case. However, there was none.

Interestingly, on the night of October 2nd, a private investor owning more than 1% of SquareEnix company stock made an odd post on the internet. The post read: “First thing in the morning tomorrow, I intend to instruct those who manage my precious SquareEnix stock (however little it may be) to arrange to sell all of it. To Square, thank you for the enjoyment of your products up until now, with the exception of this last one. Goodbye.”

Source: Private Stockholder Sells Entire Square Enix Stock,Poor FFXIV Sales Blamed (http://thesilentchief.com/2010/10/11/rumor-private-stockholder-sells-entire-square-enix-stockpoor-ffxiv-sales-blamed/)

There's proof that SE's economy consultants and even their developers can fuck things up. FFXIO paid for itself in it's first 6 months, while FFXIV is still costing SE money. TBH, ever since Sakaguchi left SE, the series has fallen from where it once stood.

Vrykolas
03-05-2011, 08:43 PM
Trying to work out where comapanies really stand, based on their profits and how successful their titles are, would seem to be a fair enough thing to do. But it never really works out that way.

Look at Activision - they have easily the highest profile series around at the moment, and yet they're firing staff left, right and centre because of huge losses they've incurred. EA also have one of the biggest titles of last year, and yet they made a 300+ million dollar loss.

The industry is just insane, when things like this happen. I gave up trying to work it all out years ago.

XxJeremyxX
03-13-2011, 04:00 PM
I've tried a couple MMOs and they're cool at first, but they just get gods damned repetitive. you go to some type of dungeon, castle, temple, ship, space station, kill a few enemies, reach the boss, kill him, then rinse and repeat. it gets so boring after a while. maybe I'm not playing the right ones. who knows.

nightzero
03-21-2011, 07:49 AM
Never played XIII and I want to but im not sure if I should since I already have my hands full with 7 (my first time playing and I was inspired by Crisis Core)

I'm gonna probably buy 8 when im done with 7 but, im not sure if I should because of the junction system. How fun is the battle system when comparing 8 to 13?

Kusanagi Fire
03-22-2011, 01:07 AM
Never played XIII and I want to but im not sure if I should since I already have my hands full with 7 (my first time playing and I was inspired by Crisis Core)

I'm gonna probably buy 8 when im done with 7 but, im not sure if I should because of the junction system. How fun is the battle system when comparing 8 to 13?

Honestly, it's hard to compare VIII and XIII. You shouldn't be afraid of the junction system. People give it a lot of criticism but it's really not all that difficult. Some people get tired of drawing 100 spells from an enemy and not being able to use the magic since it's junctioned, but I don't find it a problem and I can use card modding for a lot of the good spells (the card game is a lot of fun and generally liked by fans). VIII's battle system is fairly similar to VII with a switch from Materia to Junction (Another reason I like Junction is because I rather draw magic than kill a ton of cactuars to level up my Materia). Commands change based on what you junction to your character versus what Materia is equipped. Limit breaks in VIII can be performed during low HP instead of waiting for the Limit bar to fill. Weapons are built in VIII and ultimate weapons or close to ultimate weapons can be built in Disc 1, with a majority being made reasonably by Disc 2.

As for XIII, XIII's battle system is more active time requiring players to manage their "Paradigm Shifts." XIII is not as traditional as VII and VIII and it's not action based like Crisis Core either. Characters have a "role," which give them access to certain abilities/skills and you set Paradigms that include the 3 roles your team will assume. You manage only 1 character in XIII with the other 2 characters being controlled by the AI for the "role." A Paradigm Shift will change your entire team's "role" based on your preset formation. As an example, you can start with an physical attacker, magic attacker, and magic attacker as one Paradigm, and then shift to another Paradigm, which may be a physical attacker, magic attacker, and healer. In some ways XIII is frustrating because a character needs to be a healer in order to cure. Players need to create a good balance of Paradigms to cover a vast range of situations.

Agent0042
03-22-2011, 02:13 AM
I agree. It's really hard to recommend either game based on the battle system. In terms of differences, it's really more than the story and the structure of the games that are different. Final Fantasy VIII offers you a lot of freedom in certain areas and quite a few interesting mini-games. Story-wise, there's a heavy romance element, as well as a curious sci-fi plot with more than a bit of subtlety and intrigue involved. Final Fantasy XIII is very linear and also has a sci-fi-ish plot, but it's not really a love story (though there is a romantic relationship), and the game has quite a different "feel" to it in general. Personally, I'd say you wouldn't go wrong with either game, but choose whichever you want.

omega911
03-22-2011, 09:04 PM
Never played XIII and I want to but im not sure if I should since I already have my hands full with 7 (my first time playing and I was inspired by Crisis Core)

I'm gonna probably buy 8 when im done with 7 but, im not sure if I should because of the junction system. How fun is the battle system when comparing 8 to 13?

Buy VIII. It's hands down my favorite game. It's atleast worth a chance.

ultima_tales
03-24-2011, 06:07 PM
Buy VIII. It's hands down my favorite game. It's atleast worth a chance.

Idem.

Though many people can't figure out it's pointless to level up in that game, because the enemies get stronger as well. Make sure you keep stocking twice every once that you cast to be doing a massacre out of all 4 discs. There are many spells to junction out of monsters. But yeah, it's way cooler to play the games chronologically.

Sometimes I wish I were born in 1978 so that I would play all Final Fantasy games with somewhat mature opinion of what makes a good game. Meh, guess I have to replay them a few times. . . It's good to be young though.

Edit: For chronology I mean for the regular series where Uematsu generally composed. For the Ivalice series I suggest playing, well the Ivalice Series -> xD. Play 13, agito and versus last.

It's a good idea to play Dirge of Cerberus after ff7 though. But it's up to you depending whether you have teh console or not... ( there might be a ps3 download maybe, I wouldn't know tbh ) oh and watch the ff7 anime :D (unlimited ff is avg. . . )

Agent0042
03-24-2011, 06:43 PM
I happen to like Final Fantasy: Unlimited a lot, but I will admit that it takes a while to really get warmed up. Once it really gets going, though, there's a lot to like about it. The problem was that they spent a lot of time of focusing on stuff that was "cool" and flashy, and by the time they really got around to doing much actual plot, it was already too late for the show.

CC
03-25-2011, 01:22 AM
Never played XIII and I want to but im not sure if I should since I already have my hands full with 7 (my first time playing and I was inspired by Crisis Core)

I'm gonna probably buy 8 when im done with 7 but, im not sure if I should because of the junction system. How fun is the battle system when comparing 8 to 13?

How are you liking VII compared to Crisis Core?

IMO, Crisis Core is far superior in every regard. It's one of the best Final Fantasies available :) The storyline of VII is a mess, although I always liked it more for the atmosphere and music than anything else.

ultima_tales
03-25-2011, 03:34 PM
How are you liking VII compared to Crisis Core?

IMO, Crisis Core is far superior in every regard. It's one of the best Final Fantasies available :) The storyline of VII is a mess, although I always liked it more for the atmosphere and music than anything else.

Crisis Core is cool; the gameplay is powerpoint in it... Though.... I definitely wanted a ff7 sequel. Not Prequel, to a story prequel. :p

They need to finish that tech demo already! :D (somehow I get a feeling it's coming for PS4 for some reason) ( will be pasting this if I'm right) *25 march 2011*

Purrr
03-27-2011, 11:29 AM
I refer to this article:



Source: Private Stockholder Sells Entire Square Enix Stock,Poor FFXIV Sales Blamed (http://thesilentchief.com/2010/10/11/rumor-private-stockholder-sells-entire-square-enix-stockpoor-ffxiv-sales-blamed/)

There's proof that SE's economy consultants and even their developers can fuck things up. FFXIO paid for itself in it's first 6 months, while FFXIV is still costing SE money. TBH, ever since Sakaguchi left SE, the series has fallen from where it once stood.

Probably the most truthful post in this thread. I mean S-E are desperately clinging onto sales figures from other titles like Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep, Dissidia 2, and Parasite Eve 3rd Birthday.

I haven't played XIV (simply because my PC can't handle it) and FFXI, while a amazing game, is greatly showing signs of age and is forever marred by it's niche 'hardcore' mmo appeal.

Even I am growing tired and drained from FFXI and Square Enix at the moment. MMORPGs NEED something to break the mold of 'Eastern = grinding / Western = questing'.

XxJeremyxX
03-27-2011, 02:24 PM
my thoughts exactly, Purrrrr.

Scryer
03-27-2011, 03:54 PM
Even I am growing tired and drained from FFXI and Square Enix at the moment. MMORPGs NEED something to break the mold of 'Eastern = grinding / Western = questing'.

That is SO true. Personally I would like to see MMORPGs give the players the control. Such as more creating freedom such as vehicles (could be bandwagons, ships, etc), storylines, etc. I would like to see an MMORPG that actually allows the players to shape the world and the editors would edit the world around them that suited the way players were playing the game.

I am just sick of the quest/grind fest. Right now I am very turned off by all MMORPGs.

XxJeremyxX
03-27-2011, 08:27 PM
which is why I think that the Star Ocean series is so much better then Final Fantasy. tons of stuff to do in those.

ultima_tales
03-27-2011, 10:23 PM
Whatever is touched by Motoi Sakuraba is gold. It's proven by , , , by proof. :p

Believe it or not I am currently playing Star Ocean 1 with the patched English emulator version. It's the first time I'm actually trying to go through the game. Since it crashes like crazy on emulator.

What is interesting in Star Ocean is the format of the story. I would like to point out a graphical element in the:

Star [Wars] Ocean Series.

Because that pretty much sums it up. Other than that the scenario writer is very skilled on the series. But I would like to point at the audio of the first two series. Even with headphones on, with the glitch the patched version gives, the sound is still amazing. I guess that mythic irreplaceable sound is one of the major pros of Star Ocean and other games like Chrono Trigger.

Star Ocean (especially ST2) has a lot of soul in it. But it also follows a formula that people will eventually be bored from. Much like what that post (up there) mentioned.

I don't believe Sakaguchi is decisive in the game, since he is the creator, but his original concept is not something that you could put into a game.

- - - -

Knowing the industry a bit myself as I study this, I would say that what's decisive is:

- The Writer/Scenarist/Screenwriter. ( who defines pretty much the flow of the whole story)
- The Storyboard Artist (who will make the imagery out of the scenario; usually a comic or (in Japan case) a manga artist. ( I'm assuming that held less truth at the time of 2d sprites, but now it's another story with all that HD and Framing. )


Assuming there are workers under every director, whether or not he is able to understand/ manage these generally defines how much the game will be cohesive.

So literally for FF, in my opinion:

Yoshinori Kitase should produce. He does it so well. Glad he's in ff13-2 and versus. ( meaning they will sell)

Tetsuya Nomura should just draw characters and stick to that. Not too sure about him being a director.

Kazushige Nojima should write scenario for FF. He wrote the best games, he should keep doing so. Note that he wrote the ff13 concept leaving the remaining writing to Daisuke Watanabe and Motomu Toriyama and then abandoned letting Motomu write ff13-2.
He is now writing for FF versus. So in that way, he confirms that he isn't satisfied with how ff13 turned up in scenario. But I'm willing to bet the commercial side took over the story, so they were not able to complete the scenario logistically. ( since nobody takes risks since 2008 economy crisis right?) They rushed the ending. That's why their making ff13-2.


Motomu Toriyama: (not to confuse with the Dragon Ball genius Akira Toriyama) I believe this dude is the reason why I didn't like ff13's story.


wikipedia:

" Motomu Toriyama believes his strength is in creating games that are very story-driven.[1] He also believes that it becomes very difficult to tell a compelling story when the player is given a huge amount of freedom to explore.[2] "

So basically if Square trusted this dude in making the most linear game of all times. I seriously have higher expectation of ff13-2. :] Also he is right on his philosophy, but it's not what players like: players want both story and non-linbear. For his story to rock the game has to be linear, thus losing the purpose of being fun. We could just read his book of FF stories if so.

XxJeremyxX
03-27-2011, 10:28 PM
" Motomu Toriyama believes his strength is in creating games that are very story-driven.[1] He also believes that it becomes very difficult to tell a compelling story when the player is given a huge amount of freedom to explore.[2] "

uhm. NO. I like a big huge world and a compelling story.

Darth Revan
03-28-2011, 12:03 AM
It also comes down to personal preference as well. Speaking for myself, I consider the PSX era of FF's to be the last of the FF series. From PS2 generation to now (including PSP (Dissidia etc), GC and whatever other handheld etc, even though most are either a spin off, remake or original FF which has failed to deliver (Crystal Chronicles I'm looking at you here), the FF series hasn't appealed to me at all, and I have played all the FF's. FFX, X-2, XII and XIII have failed to capture my attention like how the earlier FF's did. To me... they had unlikable characters, weak story (in the case of FFXII the story was ripped off of Star Wars) and mediocre music. Add in the game mechanics (Sphere Grid etc) as well as weak/pathetic attempts at mini games (I'm using FFX as a prime example here, as I really hated Blitzball) contributed to, what was for me, weak and uninspired games. True the battle systems were good (in FFX and XII to say the least), FFXIII's battle system just annoyed me to no end (Control only the party leader, they die and game over? WTF?!?).

I didn't add FFXI/FFXIV, as they are MMORPG's and are a different animal when compared to console games... However, compare the two of them together, and there are differences, most of which I won't go into detail as this thread is veering off course from the topic in question. I will add this though:

FFXI, while a old game now, still does have a valid community with dedicated players (Yes, I'm one of them). FFXIV on the otherhand, has a small and somewhat fanatical fanbase to a game which has been around for six months now, with no content at the moment, numerous flaws and (here's the kicker) has had SE come out and apologize to the players for FFXIV. That last part says a LOT about the game, if the developers have to do that imo.

XxJeremyxX
03-28-2011, 01:09 AM
Blitzball was pretty god damn stupid, bro.

topopoz
03-28-2011, 02:22 AM
I(in the case of FFXII the story was ripped off of Star Wars) and mediocre music...

You're entering in uncharted territory... XII didn't had mediocre music at all...

CC
03-28-2011, 02:24 AM
You're entering in uncharted territory... XII didn't had mediocre music at all...

I agree! XII's score is as melodic and amazing as FFTactics! Hitoshi Sakimoto is an incredible composer.

Darth Revan
03-28-2011, 03:28 AM
You're entering in uncharted territory... XII didn't had mediocre music at all...

It did for me... and it wasn't just XII...


FFX, X-2, XII and XIII have failed to capture my attention like how the earlier FF's did. To me... they had unlikable characters, weak story (in the case of FFXII the story was ripped off of Star Wars) and mediocre music.

What I referred to in XII was how the story was ripped off of Star Wars. All PS2 FF's had mediocre music imo, as what I stated (and even added in the quote box above).

Neg
03-28-2011, 03:41 AM
Blitzball is the best thing about X. Hands down.

Rest isn't even worth talking about, for me XD

CC
03-28-2011, 03:49 AM
Oh Neg, you wascally wabbit you!

Agent0042
03-28-2011, 05:12 AM
Final Fantasy games have often referenced elements of Star Wars - the same basic evil Empire theme was also used in Final Fantasy VI.

XxJeremyxX
03-28-2011, 08:06 AM
Biggs and Wedge...

Purrr
03-28-2011, 10:08 AM
Blitzball is the best thing about X. Hands down.

Rest isn't even worth talking about, for me XD

Even though Blitzball was awesome in FFX, the best part I thought was the endgame. The story was mediocre, the characters were annoying but Monster Arena, Celestial Weapons and Dark Aeons? That's what FFX was ALL about.

Darth Revan
03-28-2011, 10:14 AM
Final Fantasy games have often referenced elements of Star Wars - the same basic evil Empire theme was also used in Final Fantasy VI.

That's true, I don't deny that. But FFXII more or less had ripped the story of Star Wars, altered slightly to avoid any untowards incrimination on their part, threw in FF staples and slapped FF on the box. Just my opinion though.

topopoz
03-28-2011, 03:31 PM
That's true, I don't deny that. But FFXII more or less had ripped the story of Star Wars, altered slightly to avoid any untowards incrimination on their part, threw in FF staples and slapped FF on the box. Just my opinion though.

I won't deny myself the SW references, but I for myself. IMO XII does the best at Deconstructing the "Find powerful Magic Stone to Save The World" type of storyline. Plus the focus of War , the characterizations and the multiple Ivalice references can be highly appreciated, if you did enjoyed FFT & Vagrant Story like myself.


It did for me... and it wasn't just XII...


I can't really talk for X, some songs are quite great others are rather dull If I say so myself.
But XII does not have a mediocre Score. The Boss battle song is one of the best out of the whole series & don't even get me started on the main theme. The Arrangements for Uematsu songs are superb. The original Compositions are soothing and very climatic.
People are just too spoiled with Uematsu's rock.

Agent0042
03-28-2011, 07:34 PM
It's true that the basics of Star Wars are there. Some of the essentials are definitely similar. Also, certain character types about the same, i.e. Luke Skywalker -> Vaan, Princess Leia -> Princess Ashe, Han Solo -> Balthier. However, beyond that, the comparison really starts to break down. There's no good analogue to Darth Vader and many of the other elements just don't match.

And I agree, Final Fantasy XII has some excellent music. It took me a while to warm up to some of it, but there are a lot of excellent tracks.

Inglorion55
03-28-2011, 10:25 PM
....everything about star wars is based off of a Greece story telling structure, =/ there are many stories like star wars. (i have not played 12), but there are many stories preceding star wars that have the same basic structure, the characters, journey and all that other fun stuff that goes into star wars, so for a video game to have similarities is not that surprising.

this is based off of some shit on the History chanel or something like that.

Neg
03-28-2011, 11:11 PM
We never got Dark Aeons. Not that I would have bothered with them if we had.

The monster arena is easy enough to cheat. Fuck doing anything else extra in that game~

Just me, though. To each their own.

Agent0042
03-29-2011, 04:39 AM
Inglorion - yeah, you're not wrong. I even read that Lucas himself structured many elements of Star Wars based on a film called The Hidden Fortress.

XxJeremyxX
03-29-2011, 05:17 AM
seems every film is made off another film, which in turn is made from another... and so on, and so forth...

ultima_tales
04-02-2011, 12:56 PM
Didn't check this thread awhile, just wanna say: pinpointing star wars is ff I don't fully agree. Especially the music, gdam Sakimoto is extremely creative on the sound, the limit is of course the timbre of the sound. His music is orchestral, so of course: it's closer to Star Wars than to the average synth-abusive game.

Lucas being the first doesn't mean you will go on making something that will, be a de-facto imitation. There are many references in that case that are more powerful and likely to provide content for final fantasy:

First of all magic as a global mystic belief and cultural phenomenon.

Then in literrature:

I think that if Lord of the Rings wasn't out... ( magic, elves?, cure magic?)
Followed by Dungeons and Dragons in 1974... ( how about dragon riders, rpg as a global genre?, plot twists revolving around crystals?? (ok, :p this doesn't really help ff's overuse of crystals )

Then finally Star Wars in 1977... ( space travel, time travel, various races, spaceships? ) ( this holds much more relation with Star Ocean though ) :p

You could also input Dragon Ball in there + all the other influential manga that japanese game creator are far more likely to see?...

In the time frame of the making of final fantasy... It's very likely creative ideas came in randomly at some points, maybe influenced by Enix's Dragon Quest... But borrowing is a generally inevitable rule when it comes to anything related to art, music, etc...

Anyways, media can't always be related. And ff13-2 is bound to borrow a lot. Hopefully the world will be much bigger. And more interactive. With actual Npcs to interact with.

iddalai
04-03-2011, 12:01 AM
Most Final Fantasy games use the "small rebel group against big-bad-empire" formula. It works, FF2, FF4, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF12 and FF13 used this formula, even if only for the first 6 hours of game and then changed the plot to something different.

This formula is almost as "Final Fantasyish" as chocobos and summons.

As for the main thread, I fear that Final Fantasy XIII-2 turns out into another Final Fantasy X-2, I mean, it had good gameplay and it was "fun" to play but they completely changed the mood of the game and the story, and in order to complete it quickly they used many of the same resources. And it didn't feel like a Final Fantasy at all (yeah, it's not like it's the first FF game NOT to feel like an FF at all, but you get the picture...).

Purrr
04-03-2011, 12:49 AM
I thought FFX-2 was incredible. Sure, it had it's awful Charlie's Angels feel to it, but it had an amazing job system (similar to FFV) and a very fast and fluid combat system. On top of this, it was completely non-linear which is what FFXIII needs imo.

FFX-2 is a very solid RPG, despite it's quirky tone and reused environments.

Agent0042
04-03-2011, 02:07 AM
I completely agree. A Final Fantasy that takes the risks that Final Fantasy X-2 did (opening with a popstar concert, breaking from the traditional style of gameplay, having all three playable characters be females) is of course going to split the fanbase, but for my money, it's a highly enjoyable game with a lot going for it.

Darth Revan
04-03-2011, 03:21 AM
I thought FFX-2 was incredible. Sure, it had it's awful Charlie's Angels feel to it, but it had an amazing job system (similar to FFV) and a very fast and fluid combat system. On top of this, it was completely non-linear which is what FFXIII needs imo.

FFX-2 is a very solid RPG, despite it's quirky tone and reused environments.


I completely agree. A Final Fantasy that takes the risks that Final Fantasy X-2 did (opening with a popstar concert, breaking from the traditional style of gameplay, having all three playable characters be females) is of course going to split the fanbase, but for my money, it's a highly enjoyable game with a lot going for it.

X-2 irritated me to no end (but as I hated/loathed/despised FFX, no real surprise I'd feel the same for the sequel). True the 'job system'/Dance Grid whatever the Hell it was, was enjoyable, it got old real fast seeing the girls go 'Sailor Moon' to change jobs. I didn't like the characters, hated the story and overall it was a disappointment to me. Call me old fashioned, but I prefer the old school FF's in comparison to the PS2+ generation. Still, to each their own.

Agent0042
04-03-2011, 04:48 AM
Re: Spherechanging - yeah, it can get old, but fortunately this game was smart enough to allow you features like the ability to turn that off. (And scene skip, something notably lacking in FFX.)

iddalai
04-13-2011, 05:40 PM
FF X-2 did have a pretty fun fighting system, but the game is not on par with other FF games.

The music wasn't as good (generally speaking, I liked some of the tunes, but they were usually short and unimaginative).

And the story wasn't as good on it's own, and if you did enjoyed FF X story then you'd be really upset with all the ridiculous changes.

Vrykolas
04-14-2011, 05:24 AM
Well, I hated FFX with a ferocity I reserve for only a select few games.

But to my surprise, I really, really enjoyed FFX-2. The comedic tone of the game was much more in keeping with the light, easy going world of Spira, than the original's doomsday story ever was. The cast were charming and funny, the combat was some of the best in any FF, there were tons and tons of side quests and dungeons... just a quality product all round, especially considering it was just a spin-off.

Its one of my favourite FF experiences, only losing out to FF7, 8 and 12 for me.

Esura
04-15-2011, 02:49 AM
Wow, this thread lasted six pages? Dang, I didn't know people was this hyped for FFXIII-2...

Agent0042
04-15-2011, 03:19 AM
Well, a lot of it has been people indicating that they're not hyped, or discussing matters that are only tangentially related. But I'm definitely interested in it.

Darth Revan
04-15-2011, 03:39 AM
Wow, this thread lasted six pages? Dang, I didn't know people was this hyped for FFXIII-2...


Well, a lot of it has been people indicating that they're not hyped, or discussing matters that are only tangentially related. But I'm definitely interested in it.

I'm not hyped at all... in short, quite saddened actually at what the FF series has become. I think that there will definitely be a loss of FF fans over this (more than likely the traditionalist FF fans (NES, SNES even PSX generation)), but on the otherhand, it'll keep the next generation (PS2, PS3, Xbox 360) fans appeased.

enenen
04-15-2011, 01:07 PM
Word. I can't fucking believe they're doing XIII-2. Seriously, XII was disappointing and XIII was a damn joke. And they're doing a direct sequel.

XIII was the first FF where I decided to vote with my wallet. It probably doesn't make a huge difference, but I'm sure glad I didn't spend actual money on it. I borrowed it from a friend, and realised within only 3 hours that yeah, no, do not want. With XIII-2, I don't think I'm going to even borrow/rent it.

Esura
04-18-2011, 02:48 AM
I'm not hyped at all... in short, quite saddened actually at what the FF series has become. I think that there will definitely be a loss of FF fans over this (more than likely the traditionalist FF fans (NES, SNES even PSX generation)), but on the otherhand, it'll keep the next generation (PS2, PS3, Xbox 360) fans appeased.
I am a traditionalist FF fan who is really hyped for this game so I wouldn't fall under that category. I know many old schools who are as well. Then again, I tend to be open minded about many FF games (I liked every single main FF game released to varying degrees) and I loved FFXIII so take that for what its worth.

It seems as though the FF fanbase is slowly devoling into something similar to the Sonic fanbase....*shudders*

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